CC 22 31/8 Response to Nick et al

 

 

From: g87

Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 3:36 PM

To: Nick Collins

Subject: Response to Nick et al

 

Hi Nick

Thanks for your thanks Nick; but you should contemplate the reality of this tragedy that your people created and facilitated – AGAINST YOUR OWN RULES... and not try to score points. [‘’acknowledgement to consider...’’ and ‘’...our context and the regulations within which we work’’]

 

You see – it is all very nice to get along as fellow human beings – but you must surely realize where I am going?

AND WHAT YOUR PEOPLE HAVE DONE???

 

Regards

Geoff Seidner

 

 

From: Nick Collins

Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 12:58 PM

To: 'g87'

Subject: RE: Hello Nick Collins and your Team Leader / solicitor Alan Baker

 

Thank you Geoff for your openness and acknowledgement to consider and (respectfully disagree) with our context and the regulations within which we work.  I will pass on the information forwarded to Alan Baker.

Yours sincerely

Nick

Nick Collins

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From: g87 [mailto:g87@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Friday, 31 July 2015 12:20 PM
To: Nick Collins
Subject: Hello Nick Collins and yourTeam Leader / solicitor Alan Baker

Hello Nick Collins ..

and your Team Leader / solicitor Alan Baker

Dear people,

WE had a relatively pleasant hour yesterday and herein I merely send you a few things alluded to by myself during same.

• The obituary I wrote for our daughter around late March 2007: THEY HAD NO WORDS TO SAY.
• Some sort of context for Alan’s comment quoting Rabbi Goodhardt. AS per link to my blog.http://socialistdystopia.blogspot.com.au/2015/07/seidners-listing-of-media-spin-1-carr.html

I will be in touch soon to add context to our meeting and parts of above.

Regards

Geoff Seidner

Written during the shloshim...around 30/3/2007

2 weeks after Ruchie died.

GS

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They had no words to say

It is inappropriate to seek any grief-comparison of the tragic death of a young woman in adult bloom with those struck down with youth ne'er attained. Nor young people's lives extinguished with those of sagacity and wisdom that comes with age.

My elder daughter Ruchie (Rachel) Zeimer (35, mother of 3 young children) somehow managed intimate multi-generational friendships:

• She took Sh’lach Manot (Purim gifts) mere days earlier to an elderly widow family friend.
• If mothers could not find their teenage daughters after school, they would be at 'Ruchie's place'. She was their mentor and more.
• She was adored by her many friends, loved by her 3 children and family, and respected by fellow teachers. Simply - she lit up any room she walked into with her contagious smile, charm, warmth and personality. Those blessed to have known her know this is not the typical grief of a stricken father.
• Rabbis mentioned her in shul - those who did not even know her.
• My father passed away last November; he did not see his 'treasure' die in tragic circumstances 3 weeks ago. [March 7]  She was the legal carer for my mother who has dementia: my father chose well. Ruchie's primary concern recently was that too much work / effort would be borne by my wonderful wife Eva in caring for my mother's inevitably increasing needs. That was so typical Ruchie.

“I have no words to say”

The awe-inspiring phrase used by hundreds before, during and after our sitting of Shiva was:

“I have no words to say”. Some remained mute - in tears. Most managed to go on to describe the impact our Ruchie had on their lives.

The wonderful friends who read bedtime stories, cleaned up, changed a nappy, and seamlessly tried to replace the irreplaceable as we sat Shiva - their deeds found ways to say.

Those who suffered tragedies incomparable; their experiences comforted the inconsolable, ameliorated the unbelievable with wonderful words and feeling.

The very ill Rabbi struggled for breath in finding the bare minimum words to say from his hospital bed: “HaMakom yenachem eschem b'soch sha'ar avaylei Tsion V’Yerushalayim” [May the Omnipresent comfort you with the rest of the mourners of Zion and Jerusalem.]

Ruchie’s many works of charity demonstrated how a busy person could cope with being busier. Ruchie always had time for all, especially her loving children and loving husband Howard. Their words were an appreciation of an amazing person.

The Children

Aryeh the 8 year old 'big boy' has always allowed 2 year old Dina to completely dominate him. He is grieving by apparently misbehaving. His teary eyes are not frequently seen; he soon temporarily loses himself in play.

He tries to maintain - and seemingly wants - a similar order of operation to before.

Reuvi [6] seems to be involved in constant play: one is sometimes aware there is something different now with this precocious little boy, when both boys interrogate their grandmother about why she cannot have a baby. Reuvi had earlier resigned himself: “I won't have any more babies.”

Perhaps they cry where no one sees them.

'Personality-plus' little Dina merely intermittently opines ''Imma'' - for no apparent purpose.

'It always happens to someone else'

This thought may be a selfish derivation of mere denial, perhaps understandable.

However those who have had tragedies foisted on them tell me that we will eventually be able to have a whole hour without that hollow, horrible constant feeling that our world will never be the same.

Some may appreciate that those overcome with grief seek succour by attempting to buy mere seconds of diversion in disparate ways. Whether it is Shul politics or other internecine chatter on matters immaterial, it can perhaps  be described as 'mood swings' I am told.

I verily look forward to even a few minutes: people are not around me in such numbers anymore - I cannot use them in the same way to try to transport myself into the world of social intercourse and temporary distraction.

Now is the time to look after the children and comfort each other.

Be-yado Afkid Ruchi

Ruchie lived up to the ideals of the name by which she was known: Ruchie / Ruach: Spirit. I still had tears left when we sang Adon Olam at the end of services on Shabbat:

Be-yado Afkid Ruchi ...

Into His hand I shall entrust my spirit

When I go to sleep - and I shall awaken

With my spirit shall my body remain

Hashem is with me I shall not fear.

The Memorial 'Yahrzeit' candle is now extinguished. May our people know no more sorrow.

Geoff Seidner

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CC 21 July 31 b

From: g87

Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 1:05 PM

To: nick.collins@ccam.org.au

Subject: To nick....Alan... minor doc

Nick Collins and Team Leader Alan Baker

I continue earlier email  ref to yesterday’s meeting with you.

After pleasant pleasantries we quickly got into the issues de jour.

At the very beginning Alan wanted to take me into a synopsis of the Family Court / Laws thereto.

A continuum per your letter of July 20 and same per email of 21st.

Gently I think I suggested i know the needed basics... and suggested we get to the issues relevant. LIKE AN ANALYSIS OF YOUR OWN GUIDELINES.

The so called yellow papers

So I went on... now we need to understand that these remain pretty good recollections in semi – cryptic form.

PROBABLY NEED TO CONTINUE EARLY NEXT WEEK WHILST IT STAYS IN MY MIND.

WE discussed that indeed I intimidated Catholic Care [CC] if they dared to issue a ‘Certificate’

And indeed elsewhere it was conveyed that you indeed had to issue one if asked by one of the parties.

I guess somehow managed to convey that the apparent contradictions could be explained by the problems you had caused yourselves by the unprofessional conduct of ‘THE DUO’

Elizabeth and Juoan.

Indeed It was explained that in the process of issuing – you would grant Howard Zeimer a means of seeking to create new Orders.

TO EVVISCERATE US.

At this point we had a to – and fro about Alan’s claim that you found nothing unprofessional in the way they treated us.

AMAZING THAT!

I had big problems with that – and it is not my intention today of holding a debate on this.

I merely said after a very mildly – heated conversation that ‘you do what you have to do – and I do what I have to do’ Or something like that.

What was meant was simple – and not to be explored now.

Amazingly – you thought there was a threat in my words.

i was flabbergasted and you accepted my denial!

You mentioned that Rabbi Goodheardt said to you that ‘ALL THOSE WHO SEEK MEDIATION ARE GENUINE I SEEKING???’

I was immediately in attack mode and made the BOB CARR corrolary – see previous email.

Perhaps I stunned you – it was an amazingly apt CARR analogy – instantly delivered.

I have a feeling this will be continued early next week by myself .. lots are flowing in my fervent mind... sadly no time.

Regards

Geoff Seidner

CC 20 JULY 31 a

 

 

From: g87

Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 12:19 PM

To: nick.collins@ccam.org.au

Subject: Hello Nick Collins and yourTeam Leader / solicitor Alan Baker

 

Hello Nick Collins ..

and your Team Leader / solicitor Alan Baker

 

Dear people,

WE had a relatively pleasant hour yesterday and herein I merely send you a few things alluded to by myself during same.

• The obituary I wrote for our daughter around late March 2007: THEY HAD NO WORDS TO SAY.
• Some sort of context for Alan’s comment quoting Rabbi Goodhardt. AS per link to my blog.http://socialistdystopia.blogspot.com.au/2015/07/seidners-listing-of-media-spin-1-carr.html

I will be in touch soon to add context to our meeting and parts of above.

Regards

Geoff Seidner

 

 

Written during the shloshim...around 30/3/2007

2 weeks after Ruchie died.

GS

---

 

They had no words to say

It is inappropriate to seek any grief-comparison of the tragic death of a young woman in adult bloom with those struck down with youth ne'er attained. Nor young people's lives extinguished with those of sagacity and wisdom that comes with age.

My elder daughter Ruchie (Rachel) Zeimer (35, mother of 3 young children) somehow managed intimate multi-generational friendships:

• She took Sh’lach Manot (Purim gifts) mere days earlier to an elderly widow family friend.
• If mothers could not find their teenage daughters after school, they would be at 'Ruchie's place'. She was their mentor and more.
• She was adored by her many friends, loved by her 3 children and family, and respected by fellow teachers. Simply - she lit up any room she walked into with her contagious smile, charm, warmth and personality. Those blessed to have known her know this is not the typical grief of a stricken father.
• Rabbis mentioned her in shul - those who did not even know her.
• My father passed away last November; he did not see his 'treasure' die in tragic circumstances 3 weeks ago. [March 7]  She was the legal carer for my mother who has dementia: my father chose well. Ruchie's primary concern recently was that too much work / effort would be borne by my wonderful wife Eva in caring for my mother's inevitably increasing needs. That was so typical Ruchie.

“I have no words to say”

The awe-inspiring phrase used by hundreds before, during and after our sitting of Shiva was:

“I have no words to say”. Some remained mute - in tears. Most managed to go on to describe the impact our Ruchie had on their lives.

The wonderful friends who read bedtime stories, cleaned up, changed a nappy, and seamlessly tried to replace the irreplaceable as we sat Shiva - their deeds found ways to say.

Those who suffered tragedies incomparable; their experiences comforted the inconsolable, ameliorated the unbelievable with wonderful words and feeling.

The very ill Rabbi struggled for breath in finding the bare minimum words to say from his hospital bed: “HaMakom yenachem eschem b'soch sha'ar avaylei Tsion V’Yerushalayim” [May the Omnipresent comfort you with the rest of the mourners of Zion and Jerusalem.]

Ruchie’s many works of charity demonstrated how a busy person could cope with being busier. Ruchie always had time for all, especially her loving children and loving husband Howard. Their words were an appreciation of an amazing person.

The Children

Aryeh the 8 year old 'big boy' has always allowed 2 year old Dina to completely dominate him. He is grieving by apparently misbehaving. His teary eyes are not frequently seen; he soon temporarily loses himself in play.

He tries to maintain - and seemingly wants - a similar order of operation to before.

Reuvi [6] seems to be involved in constant play: one is sometimes aware there is something different now with this precocious little boy, when both boys interrogate their grandmother about why she cannot have a baby. Reuvi had earlier resigned himself: “I won't have any more babies.”

Perhaps they cry where no one sees them.

'Personality-plus' little Dina merely intermittently opines ''Imma'' - for no apparent purpose.

'It always happens to someone else'

This thought may be a selfish derivation of mere denial, perhaps understandable.

However those who have had tragedies foisted on them tell me that we will eventually be able to have a whole hour without that hollow, horrible constant feeling that our world will never be the same.

Some may appreciate that those overcome with grief seek succour by attempting to buy mere seconds of diversion in disparate ways. Whether it is Shul politics or other internecine chatter on matters immaterial, it can perhaps  be described as 'mood swings' I am told.

I verily look forward to even a few minutes: people are not around me in such numbers anymore - I cannot use them in the same way to try to transport myself into the world of social intercourse and temporary distraction.

Now is the time to look after the children and comfort each other.

Be-yado Afkid Ruchi

Ruchie lived up to the ideals of the name by which she was known: Ruchie / Ruach: Spirit. I still had tears left when we sang Adon Olam at the end of services on Shabbat:

Be-yado Afkid Ruchi ...

Into His hand I shall entrust my spirit

When I go to sleep - and I shall awaken

With my spirit shall my body remain

Hashem is with me I shall not fear.

The Memorial 'Yahrzeit' candle is now extinguished. May our people know no more sorrow.

Geoff Seidner

 

 

CC 19 ...CHC DOC ....23/9/2009 THIS SYNAGOGUE REMAINS HOWARD ZEIMER’s

From: g87

Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 2:01 PM

To: nick.collins@ccam.org.au

Subject: CHC DOC ....23/9/2009POSITIVELY THE LAST ONE NICK! RegardsGeoff

TO NICK COLLINS

CHC DOC ....23/9/2009 THIS REMAINS HOWARD ZEIMER’s SYNAGOGUE.

POSITIVELY THE LAST ONE NICK!

Regards

Geoff

From: geoff seidner

Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:10 AM

To: Rabbi smukler

Cc: nechama bendet ; Kluwgant Rabbi Meir Shlomo ; rabbi telsner ; Rabbi Gutnick ; registrar@mbd.net.au ; don wolf

Subject: CHC

DOCUMENTS SENT / FAXED TO CAULFIELD HEBREW CONGREGATION
　
1 p.m. 23/9/2009
Per conversation with Katrina Goodrich, CHC secretary
I gave her an emotional synopsis (in short) of how "…we lost our daughter and Zeimer accepted our 24/7 help – then eviscerated us as soon as he married..
Initially, as I told her – I was going to send only Z’s letter – then simply changed my mind!
Furthermore, I also said that this fax is just the start – of sending (matters material) to people – (selectively targeted).
GS
Faxes were sent 1.30 p.m. approx.
………………………………………………………………………………
Fax 3.45 p.m. 23/9/09
Dear Gary Friedman,
I have decided to fax you an earlier letter faxed to the Melbourne Beth Din. (17/9/09)
Not because in and of itself that it has importance. It is not – and it has not. I expect it to be irrelevant in the importance scheme of things. To wit – no matter what the M.B. Din replies – it will not have material import on our multifarious tragedy.
It is being sent to show merely one tangent of one correspondence – and to show you – and all who read my missives – (today’s) as to how love for and our manifest need to merely have normal contact with our grandchildren – dominates our lives.
WE DO NOT THINK MUCH OF ZEIMER’S MANIFEST IDEA THAT WE SHOULD SPEAK FROM THE GRAVE (SIC)
G. Seidner
Enc M.B.D letters of 11/12/08; 15/10/09
"They had no words to say" 30/3/07 GS
Registrar
Melbourne Beth Din
12 Charnwood Grove 17/9/09
ST KILDA
Att: Rabbi E.J. Belfer
Dear Rabbi Belfer,
Thank you for your letter of 11 Dec 2008 re "the obstruction for a relationship with our grandchildren.
Matters are sadly in it’s denoument prior to legal action – in spite of much effort by us in far-too-many realms in seeking settlement.
No doubt you are aware that Rabbi Shlomo Meir Kluwgant and
Robert Weil have attempted to liaise/mediate between Zeimer’s and our dead daughter’s parents! TO NO AVAIL!
Kindly note that there STILL REMAINS THE POSSIBILITY THAT MATTERS CAN BE RESOLVED PRIOR TO SUING OUR GRANDCHILDREN’S FATHER and STEPMOTHER! Therefore, my/our purpose in writing to you is to simply request that you advise us as to "what the Beth Din (did) can do in this matter." (QUOTE FROM YOUR LETTER)
Opportunities come to some to materially – if belatedly affect an evil decree erev Rosh Hashanah/YOM KIPPUR.
I am simply asking that you realize that the direction we will be heading in may be influenced by what you write to us. LO! IT MAY EVEN HELP US!
You are kindly requested to liaise with Rabbi Kluwgant & Rabbi Telsner – and whomever you deign to speak with. But do it soon.
Your letter to us – as stated above – should encapsulate what the Beth Din had done/has done to date, what THE BETH DIN WAS ABLE TO DISCOVER THAT MAY HAVE MATERIAL IMPORT IN HELPING US regain "normal" access to our beloved grandchildren. AND PLAINLY COMMIT IT TO PAPER – AT LEAST!!
There is an urban myth built/appended to /around
Edmund Burke about "evil triumphing when good men do nothing."
Please communicate this to the very helpful Rabbi Gutnick – who may care to appreciate that opportunities to do good come almost NE’ER in a lifetime.
It is usually much easier to declaim doing, saying, writing anything under the moniker of ‘it is not our role’. But, dear Rabbi ‘s if not you - who? If not now when?
We wish you a Shana Tova
G. Seidner GEOFF & EVA SEIDNER
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------GARY FIEDMAN
PRESIDENT CAULFIELD H.C
23/9/2009
Dear Gary,
I refer to my conv. with KATRINA GOODRICH.

A1. Enclosed for you to do with whatever you deign to do – (hopefully to stop this…STUSS (nonsense) – and more.
Zeimer letter with personal numbering system
BRIEF comments - pages 3 – 9
Our solicitor’s letter. These papers are confidential outside of CHC office – but can be shown to parties who can resolve matters!
A2. We have been negotiating, mediating with Howard Zeimer for over 12 months to no avail. THIS IS – THIS FAX IS – SIMPLY AN ATTEMPT TO FIND SOMEONE WHO IS NOT ‘SCARED’ OF H.Z. and his influence - and maybe perchance call him to account and immediately put a stop to this grandfather’s multifarious grief.
Please feel free to phone me anytime. 9525 9299 / 9525 9290. My apologies for scribble.
Thanks
G. Seidner
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8/9/2009
BRIEF ANALYSIS OF ZEIMER’S LETTER . REFER TO NUMBERING SYSTEM EMBEDDED IN ENCLOSED COPY OF Z’S LETTER
A1 Z is implying he was attempting to "make a proposal.."
It is simply humbug. HE HAS FORMALLY TOLD MICHELLE RUBIN THAT HE REFUSES/REFUSED HER ATTEMPTS AT INFORMAL MEDIATION.
ZEIMER CONFIRMS THE CLAPTRAP TOWARDS THE END OF HIS LETTER! ("NOT A SOCIAL WORKER OR COURT MEDIATOR")
A2 TO SUGGEST THAT RABBI TELSNER ‘INTERFERED’ AND HINDERED MATTERS IS SIMPLY AN ABSURD MIS-STATEMENT (I wonder how the laws of defamation could be used if I used my primary word of choice!)
IT WAS ZEIMER WHO TRIED TO HEAVY RABBI TELSNER!
Manifestly unsuccessfully! Rabbi Telsner is a MENSCH! (decent/special human being)
A3 (a) The allegation that our attempts to keep even a minimalist contact – loving, adoring minimalist contact – "emotionally upset and traumatized them" is so plainly untrue – such junk – so demonstrably provable by any number of witnesses – as to encourage me to call Zeimer a liar. WITH NO CARE TO DEFAMATION ACTION – WHICH I ENCOURAGE HIM TO TAKE
OR - AN INTERVENTION ORDER – WHICH HE REGULARLY PRE-EMPTS – BUT HAS NOT THE WEREWITHAL TO INITIATE!
ON ANY NON-POSTMODERNIST READING OF THE REALITY – IT IS ZEIMER – MR. & MRS Z – who have attempted to poison the children! AND INDUBITABLY THUS STRESS THEM!!
A3 (b) I WARN THEM – CHILDREN DO NOT LIE’ DINA’S SAD REMARK TO EVA – THAT ‘I WANT TO COME TO YOUR PLACE BUT MY MOMMY WON’T LET ME. SHE DOES NOT LIKE YOU! SHE SAYS YOU (EVA) use Rude (bad) words’ LET IT BE UNDERSTOOD THAT MY WIFE HAS NEVER USED A "RUDE" WORD IN HER LIFE! What an outrage they weave. It will all come out.
A3 © REUVI BURSTING INTO TEARS IN HIS CLASSROOM – SAYING ‘I AM NOT ALLOWED TO TALK TO YOU’ - IS ALSO A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD!ll will be publicly exposed. It is now just a matter of time!
4 & 5 "DISAPPOINTING"? I guess Zeimer wants us in an early grave!
"OPTIMALLY MANAGED" IS AN OUTRAGE - which awaits debunking as soon as his ‘aberrant’ psychologist is unearthed. IF HE EVER WAS!
6. I have always said that I intend to reunite…."
An outrage! He is plainly not. He should realize there are so many examples to the contrary - so many deliberate attempts to deny us access – that the above is simply another example of post modern STUSS! (nonesense)
His use of the word "appease" would be risible if it was not so absurd.
7-8-9-10 The so-called "access" is a travesty . OUT OF THE 168 hours in the week he ‘gives’ us – or ALLEGEDLY GRANTS US 2 HOURS (per fortnight) IN A TIME ZONE THAT GUARANTEES THAT HIS SUBSEQUENT CODICILS WILL BE VICIATED BY HIM! And the other conditions are an obscenity. I could write 10,000 words!
11 a I reserve my ultimate contempt for his mealy-mouthed platitudinous reference to his "child therapist."
Rabbi Kluwgant: YOU WILL REMEMBER HOW ZEIMER MISLED YOU VIA THE SCENARIO OF THIS ‘ABERANT-GRIEVER’ PSYCHOLOGIST? (ZEIMER’S mentor in his dastardly deeds against us!)
You remember that we were encouraged by Zeimer that he would allow access to this "aberrant" psychologist via only our psychologist being allowed to professionally approach this man AFTER EVA and I WERE ‘EXAMINED"?
WELL, THAT WAS – how shall we say it – a ‘mis-statement’! It was not to be – it was simply an outrageous, expensive waste of time. It wasted at least 6 weeks!
I guess I am still taking a backwards glance in these notes for the laws of defamation.
Are there any worthwhile synonyms for ‘mis-statement?’
11 b But look what Zeimer resurrects: the idea of access to the "child therapist" – so long as we completely capitulate with all else –
including our legal rights – and all else as before.
　
I guess Zeimer does not realize how much more information we have to put in front of the court. IF HE DID – HE WOULD NOT HAVE WRITTEN THAT TRIPE OF A LETTER OF 3/9/09
HAVING DUE CONSIDERATION – NAY LOVING CONSIDERATION – FOR THE CHILDREN WE ARE DEEPLY SADDENED THAT THEY (ZEIMERS HAVE NO SHAME) and worse – seemingly no respect for their children, our grandchildren and basic JEWISH VALUES.
GEOFF SEIDNER
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gary Friedman 23/9/09
2nd fax P.S. – ‘mediators’ were Rabbi Kluwgant – and Robert Weil – both have hundreds of pages…
Dear Gary
Kindly show my fax AND GIVE A COPY TO RABBI GENENDE. I don’t expect him to do much; for reasons obvious.
I similarly did not expect him to do anything with my en-passant comment at a SIMCHA AT CAULFIELD:
"EVIL TRIUMPHS WHEN GOOD MEN DO NOTHING".
I was right.
Well over the fast.
G. Seidner
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Conversations with Dov Farkas (10 a.m.? 11 a.m.?) 24/9/09
It was simply ‘awesome.’ I said…time to get involved etc. etc.
He agreed to pick up papers/faxes from Caulfield H.C. An extensive conversation.
Then, around 11 a.m. –he phoned me back. He said VERY NERVOUSLY : "I don’t think I am equipped….
I cut him off.
Too late DOV FARKAS! I have already incorporated you into my fax to C.H.C AND I AM NOT REWRITING IT.
So – if in spite of what will be sent to you, you decide not to involve yourself – then so be it. You will be another one in history who chose the easy way out.
Yet plainly – it is his FRIENDS and associates who have a role!
Irrespective – you will not think of Zeimer quite the same way – whenever Shoshi says KOOCHIE KOOS about the children – you will KNOW what they have done – and you will know that you chose the easy way out.
Have a look, Dov Farkas – I have made comments in JUST THIS REALM IN MY SCRIBBLE TO C.H.C. – almost finished about to be faxed to them.
Let me tell you, Dov Farkas – when my papers are seen as showing the manifest injustice done to us – you will be able to say – I had a chance – and DID NOTHING.
It was a simply stunning conversation. I could almost see Dov gulping for AIR!
He gave me permission to give his Macquarie fax no. to C.H.C
Fin G.S.
　
F. 11.12 a.m. CC to DOV FARKAS
Katarina Goodrich 24/9/09
C.H.C
Dear Katarina,
Further to the series of faxes sent to C.H.C. yesterday: I have just spoken to DOV Farkas – and he will be picking up from you COPIES
OF ALL THE ABOVE
KINDLY PREPARE THESE FOR DOV; the originals were intended for your President, Gary Friedman and Rabbi Genende – and anyone who cares to be involved….
I make this comment to you - to anyone who is now involved
1 WHAT HOWARD AND SHOSHANA KREMNIZER (ZEIMER) HAVE DONE TO GRIEVING GRANDPARENTS IS UNSPEAKABLE – AND SURELY UNPRECEDENTED IN JEWISH HISTORY – MODERN OR OTHERWISE.
2 TO INSIST – AS SOME MAY – WITH THE CLICHÉ OF "THERE ARE TWO SIDES TO EVERY STORY" - IS SIMPLY TRITE; AN OBSCENITY THAT IS DEBUNKED EITHER IN THE ANALS OF COMMON DECENCY, COMMON SENSE – OR BY ASKING SALIENT QUESTIONS.
3 ONE IS OBLIGED TO SEEK RESPONSA TO THE CONVOLUTIONS, SPIN, MISINFORMATION AND A MYRIAD ABOMINATIONS CREATED BY PEOPLE WHO SO FAR HAVE NOT BEEN QUESTIONED BY THEIR FRIENDS, ASSOCIATES, etc.
4 MY FILES ARE REPLETE WITH INFORMATION THAT MAKES THEIR EVISCERATION OF OUR DEAD DAUGHTER’S PARENTS FROM LOVING CONTACT WITH RUCHIE’S CHILDREN THE EPITPOME OF….AT BEST POST MODERNIST STUSS (nonsense) – AT WORST – CONSIDERABLY WORSE.
5 I AM PUTTING TO YOU THAT IT IS INCUMBENT ON THOSE WHO HAVE BECOMDE INVOLVED – TO- SIMPLY BECOME INVOLVED!! It is easy to say as one wag insisted that: "THIS IS A MATTER FOR PROFESSIONALS’ - when confronted with the need to be involved.
6 a It is also incumbent on those who have been entrusted with a mediation (informal mediation by a mutual friend) to not give succor to nonsense promulgation.
TO WIT: THE LAST COMMENT OF THIS OTHERWISE WONDERFUL*** PERSON WAS: "I think that the involvement of Michelle Rubin was a missed opportunity."
***This person has spent 100 HOURS OR MORE TRYING TO RESOLVE MATTERS FOR NO MATERIAL REWARD.
　
6 b So- if you understand that we are essentially being blamed for ZEIMER REFUSING TO MEDIATE WITH MICHELLE RUBIN – SEE 2^{nd last paragraphs of his lamentable letter of 3/9/2009 – via the flagrant comment: "not a social worker or court mediator" (which Michelle is!)}
NOTE: ZEIMER HAS THE TEMERITY TO START HIS LETTER ALLUDING TO A DEAL WITH MICHELLE AND ROBERT WEIL! SIMPLY SELF-CONTRADICTORY! THIS IS PURE HUMBUG – IN HIS OWN WORDS – THE ONLY THING HE HAS EVER WRITTEN!
6 c But it gets worse. As per the 2nd last paragraph: HE ALLUDES TO A NEW SET OF PSYCHO-BABBLE! HAVING REFUSED PER ABOVE – HE WANTS TO DRIVE US TO DISTRACTION BY PERVERTING AND INVERTING WHAT HE HAS DONE. SEE THE FOLLOWING
AND EVEN WORSE:
6 d HE MISLED US WITH THE AGREEMENT TO ALLOW A PSYCHOLOGIST ("INDEPENDENT"!!) TO EXAMINE EVA and I, so the above scenario – alluded to in earlier papers was a psychologist he accepted and then vitiated – that is called outrageous or worse – then to wax lyrical about restarting the same humbug – is SICK! MEGA SICK!
7 Parents are entrusted to look after the welfare of their children. It is not what they have done, NOTE THAT THE ABOVE IS ONLY A TINY TANGENT OF THE TRAGEDY FOISTED ON US!
G. Seidner
　
Dov Farkas 24/9/09
Dear Dov,
Just received a phone message from Aviva Vanderplat.
She informs me via voice mail message that GARY FRIEDMAN ‘GRABBED’ THE PAPERS FAXED TO HIM LAST NIGHT – SO AVIVA CANNOT REFAX THEM TO YOU.
Therefore, I am sending same to you.
It is imperative for Zeimer’s friends to become aware of what Zeimers/Kremnizers have done – in a rational context of MERELY ONE OR TWO TANGENTS THAT ARE EXPANDED.
VIA THIS EXPANSION YOU WILL NOTE THAT THERE WILL BE NOWHERE FOR THEIR SPIN TO BE FURTHER PROMULGATED.
SIMPLY: YOU MAY VERY WELL CONTEMPLATE IF A MERE MAJORITY OF LAMENTABLE POINTS OF HIS LETTER ARE SO EASILY DEBUNKED, JUST SO ANYTHING ELSE THEY HAVE BEEN PERPETUATING /WILL PROMULGATE CAN BE SIMILARLY DISCREDITED.
"Every- move- they- made- every- step- they- took- someone- was watching- them?
There will now be nowhere for them to hide with their STUSS. (nonesense)
WE CAN DEBUNK IT ALL. So can Rabbi Telsner, Rabbi Sprung, Rabbi Kluwgant. But do not waste your time with Krasnjanski – he refused to do anything but waste time – IN PURPORTING TO HAVE MADE A CALL TO ZEIMER THAT RABBI KLUWGANT ASKED HIM TO MAKE – AND NEVER DID!
Around PESACH 2009 – he thus wasted and stalled and dissembled away 4 weeks!
He is a disgrace!
G. Seidner
　
F 3.46p.m.
Aviva c/C.H.C 24.9.09
Dear Aviva, Gary Friedman
Thank you for your ‘phone message that Garry Friedman took the faxes sent yesterday – so you were unable to send the material on to Dov Farkas.
I have now on-forwarded all of yesterday’s faxes to Dov.
Your writer will now cease activity in matters Zeimer and the lamentable evisceration of us from our grandchildren.
PENDING FEEDBACK FROM GARRY INFORMING US AS TO WHAT HAS BEEN ACHIEVED – AND AS PER ‘INTRODUCTION’ 3- PAGE FAX TO DOV – AS TO WHAT HE MAY REQUEST FROM US.
Please note – all we want is for the unilateral evisceration to be obviated – as otherwise no party will be pleased with the direction where this tragedy leads.
Please forget/forgive my scrappy childish scrawl. No-one would suggest that my heirogliphics reflect in any way the nature of my mind.
Garry – Please ensure that Rabbi Genende has a copy of all documents.
Geoff Seidner
PS – YOU CANNOT FAX ME – I KNOW NOT HOW TO LOAD THE CARBON!
　
CC Rabbi Telsner et al F 3.45 p.m.
Gary Frydman Sunday, Erev Yom Kippur
President C.H.C. 27/9/2009
Dear Gary Frydman,
Ref: Friday night at Caulfield Shule with your wonderful choir and Dov Farkas.
I draw conclusions from comments by Robert Weil*1 and Rabbi Genende*2 and hang-dog expressions manifest on the visage of Rabbi Krasnjanski.
My conclusion is that you, Gary Frydman are doing "something". Presumably meaningful.
I have no wish to make new disparaging comments about anyone: But I note with sadness that your involvement is not NECESSARILY bec. of the immoral STUSS foisted on us – not because you simply act to remonstrate repugnance to the above – but because you fear damage to the REPUTATION OF C.H.C.
Otherwise, Gary Frydman you would have acted earlier. MUCH EARLIER C.H.C. has been in the news lately and made HISTORY when my son-in-law Zeimer became the FIRST POST MOND PRESIDENT. And with the support of our Ruchie – HIS WIFE – he was and MENSCH – and justified his election – with his actions.
Now I tell you Gary Frydman that I intend to set in print a complete resume of HOW ZEIMER has OSTENSIVELY GOT AWAY WITH JUSTIFYING to his lamentable acolytes his evisceration of his dead wife’s parents from contact with his children, our grandchildren.
There will be nowhere for Zeimers to hide: it will be arguably, unanswerably the greatest indictment in modern day Judaism.
J’ACCUSE!
You should make it your business to know my recognized skills in this realm. GIVE ME THE UNDOUBTED EMOTIONAL INVOLVEMENT – AND YOU WOULD NOT WANT TO BE THE SUBJECT OF MY DIATRIBE – FROM THE HEART.
Let is be understood that this phrase – DIATRIBE- FROM-THE-HEART – may seem bizarre: please do not allow Zeimer to tempt me to demonstrate it,
So – Gary Frydman,
Let it be understood that Zeimer should immediately agree to an APPLICATION FOR CONSENT ORDERS
He should immediately understand that the restoration of our access – loving access to our loving grandchildren - with generous access at that!
It will further be incorporating an agreement that Zeimers – Howard, Shoshana and Helen Zeimer will IMMEDIATELY REVERSE THEIR MANIFEST POISONING OF THE MINDS OF OUR LOVING GRANDCHILDREN . PERIOD! WE HAVE TOO MUCH EVIDENCE; ZEIMERS SHOULD NOT EVEN TRY TO DENY THE UNDENIABLE.
I am in the process of targeting various people, one Michael Small comes to mind.
How he could say what he said to me approx 6 months ago in Mizrachi Shul!?
Of all people – Michael Small – he who behaved with such menchlechkeit (decency) towards his dead wife’s father.
Methinks Zeimer had better prepare M.S. – and prepare his usual dissenblidge (new word). IT WILL DO NO GOOD.
An alternative is to allow Rabbi’s Kluwgant, Sprung, Gutnick (M.B.D) and others who have been privy to these papers – Krasnjanski, R. Weil and Michelle Rubin – and Rabbi Telsner – who has or will have copies – TO A DOCUMENT, PROPERLY EXECUTED – that will satisfy me as to it being enforceable in a court/via a court of law.
Let it be understood that until the above is done – unless it is done and/or unless you confirm that Zeimers are agreeable that it be done ‘mega- soon’- I will continue to target people of interest – as per (currently) Dov Farkas – to ensure the pain is continued that sadly merely reflects a TINY PERCENTAGE OF OURS!
　
Having just reconstructed the heart-shape that Reuvi made on his mother’s grave – made out of pebbles – I tell you Gary, it ain’t easy to contemplate how time changes things. How unlikely it is that the children will be allowed to visit their mother’s grave – and more important – MUCH more important—they have manifestly had their home purged of any evidence that their mother ever existed!
What a dramatic hypocracy; she who assures us that she would honour the memory of our daughter – she who insisted that we were the first to be told of her engagement – she who read us the riot act 2 weeks later when (presumably) things got a bit difficult – for some reason or other – with the children.
I guess – all it took was the STANDARD CHILDISH HYPOTHETICAL COMMENT: "YOU ARE NOT MY MOTHER" FOR THE WOMAN WITH A HISTORY OF DOING THE SAME TO HER ARGUABLY GENTLE HUSBAND – TO LOSE CONTROL – and blame US! People talk.
The above would be chapter one (1) of my ‘diatribe"! Beware of those who have been so unjustly treated. As we are simultaneously
going down a legal avenue – I doubt she would welcome an analysis by the courts of any of the tangents here! Her father will not be able to protect her – not this time!
As Zeimer searches for his heart with his ALCHETS (Jewish Prayer from Day of Atonement Prayer Book) – IN VAIN I POSTULATE – LET HIM SIMILARLY SEARCH FOR THE BASIS OF JUDAISM – BAISHONIM, RACHMONIM and GEMILAT CHASODIM! MAY THEY BE TREATED BY THEIR CHILDREN – WHEN THE CHILDREN ARE MADE AWARE THAT THEY MANIFESTED THE GREATEST EVIL IN MODERN DAY JUDAISM – MAY THE CHILDREN SHOW THEM MERCY THEY DON’T DESERVE. MAY WE SEE THE DAY THAT THEY WILL APOLOGIZE SINCERELY.
May the children have someone tell them what their loving grandparents tried to do – for no other reason except love - because they (we) are their flesh and blood their parents TRIED TO DESTROY.
May the ALMIGHTY BE OVER-GENEROUS TO ALL OF US – IN ALL OUR FRAILTIES – FOR ALL SINS OF OMISSION and commission – and all our ABERATIONS (now here is your word Howard Zeimer – you accused Eva for being an "ABERRANT" GRIEVER! ) MAY THEY BE ABLE TO OBEY AND KEEP EVEN THE BASIC NOAHIDE LAWS – and let us say – AMEN. GS

From P1?
*1 R. Weil: "It was a mistake to send open faxes to C.H.C……all the staff can see it….
*2 Rabbi Genende: (In answer to my question "did you see my papers") "Yes – what makes you think that nothing is being done…."To which I said: "I have not seen any evidence…. (I no longer recall the somewhat aggressive tone I employed with Rabbi Genende. He too…of the masterful inactivity syndrome.)
Rabbi Genende – a professional mediator – deigned to not get involved..scared of Zeimer and his job.
This fax is finished. GMAR TOV TO YOU
GEOFF SEIDNER
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F 1.38 p.m. 29/9/09
Gary Frydman
Dear Gary,
1) Me thinks I owe you an apology of sorts. In my fax Erev Yom Kipur (27/9/09) it was suggested that you may be driven by purely selfish considerations – a la the damage your writer and his longing for his grandchildren could do to the reputation of C.H.C. Sadly unless I was a Marxist, it would surely be obvious that essentially everything is indeed driven by such NIHILISTIC CONSIDERATIONS!
2) Why – that noble nihilist ZEIMER said to us: "THERE IS NO TRADITION – I HAVE TO MOVE ON…" on the day he ‘executed’ our dreams!
3) It has not helped that NOBLE WOMAN SU-CHI IN BURMA: NO ONE STATE HAS ANY INTEREST IN HER PREDICAMENT
4) Kuwait was different, as was perhaps Iraq. SELF INTEREST…
5) But let us contemplate Czechoslovakia: NO NATION STATE FELT PANGS OF MORALITY TO OBVIATE THEIR FEAR OF NAZIS. They were so wrong as Poland demonstrated in terms of appeasement being not helpful.
6) But I digress. Until now – did ANYONE EVISCERATE ZEIMERS FOR what they had done? Maybe. Maybe not much - even though I heard reports……
7) However – note this: most of his ‘associates’ used the President Johnson ethic of "I would be better inside the tent pissing out than on the outside pissing in" Oh dear – sorry for the colourful language.
8) But – I guess in your case there are a number of different tangents: not the least is the idea some of our friends have of contacting the Jewish News with another scandal.
I will not be able to stop them, Gary.
9) I/We also pose danger to the Zeimer clan’s marriage – which we badly want to survive these forays of their making! As prima-facia proof:
A. We attended his engagement at Ruchie’s house. It was not easy; we even spoke kindly to Kremnizer’s senior.
As thanks, Zeimer thanked everybody – inc the door stopper – but not my Eva – who was always there for him and the children 24/7: AS SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
B At the wedding – that too was difficult- he managed a one liner to us. OK – no problem (!) Not much?
But Helen and David Zeimer – he with the BEST-MAN SPEECH FROM THE NETHER WORLD – Z waxed lyrical.
Oh, Gary – do you want to check the video for his plethora of asinine BLONDE JOKES?
C Yet Zeimer got upset at me for daring to soto-voce (few weeks earlier) asking how old his bride to be is.
I should have been best man: I would have made ageinst jokes!
10) So, I go back to the plaintive cry of the Hungarian Revolutionary Government of 1956:"TO THE FREE WORLD: HELP US – WE ARE UNDER ATTACK" There was no-one – no nation state – to take on the oppressor. (Thank goodness Israel does not need extraneous support – simply because there is NO MORALITY out there!)
11) I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THERE IS NO ATTEMPT HERE TO DRAW ANALOGIES WITH TOTALITARIAN REGIMES and the Z clan. Simply to point out that I belong to the world which realizes that idealism, Torah values, Rachmonis, Baishonim and Gemilat Chasodim is a mere ethereal dream. When it comes to what they have so far done to us.
12) As far as Rabbi Genende is concerned – let it be understood that he is a trained mediator, So is his wife so – if a future president Zeimer sacked him – he would surely make a living. IF THAT WAS THE PRICE OF MORALITY. IF THAT WAS THE PRICE OF FORCING ZEIMER’S HAND.
13) I do not really care OR MAYBE I DO? If this matter is not resolved soon – very soon you should make them aware of matters pending in the legal arena. This simply continues inexorably.
14) Let us HOPE the new year brings peace – and Eva and I somehow forgive them for the sake of the children.
BUT WE WILL NEVER, NEVER FORGET.
GUT YOHR.
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Fax #2
Gary Frydman 29/9/2009
Dear Gary,
My apologies for childish scrawl in my faxes. Contemplate what I could write if proper time was taken for composition and formation of handwriting.
Kindly make sure that the Zeimer’s reply to our address within 7 days. If he gets help with his composition, I promise to improve my scrawl.
Just a byline: a few short weeks ago your writer contemplated how he would have written Zeimer’s letter lamentable of 3/9/09. WITH THE SAME EVIL INTENT – MINE WOULD HAVE BEEN DEVOID OF LOGICAL INCONSISTENCIES AND BASIC ERRORS SCHOOLBOYS SHOULD NOT MAKE.
GET A LAWYER HOWARD; IF YOU CONTEMPLATE SUCH NONESENSE AGAIN.
Regards,
G. Seidner
　

Gary Frydman 30/9/09
President C.H.C
Dear Gary,
I enclose copy of letter sent to Howard Zeimer ex our solicitors on 28/9/09; without comment.
Yours sincerely,
GEOFF SEIDNER
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F 2.05 p.m
Gary Frydman 6/10/09
Dear Gary,
Last night I delivered essentially copies of faxes sent to you up to 30/9/09 to BARRY MOND.
Perhaps Barry may be able to persuade the Zeimer’s that their position is untenable morally, indefensible legally and is seen as nonesense & worse by ‘anyone’ with or without general or detailed knowledge of their evil decree.
There is no reason to be optimistic: Zeimer will sadly take these approaches – and ALL * OTHER ATTEMPTS BY US TO AVOID TAKING OUR GRANDCHILDREN’S FATHER AND STEPMOTHER THROUGH THE COURTS – AS A SIGN OF ‘WEAKNESS’. That, sadly, is the way their brains are wired. THEY HAVE TAKEN ADVANTAGE – TO DEFEND THE INDEFENSIBLE – EVERY TIME!
* I have written on this in only MINOR DETAIL ELSEWHERE.
Yet, kindly note that even as my pen makes these indentations on this paper – we are simultaneously taking steps to bring closer the denoument. Ask R. Weil go send you my late August 2009 faxes! Say 21/8/09 TO 31/8/09
I also wish to advise that so far my acts of seeking the involvement of OTHER people has been essentially restricted to those with roots in C.H.C. It follows on that these people will not "air" this laundry outside C.H.C.
It certainly was not my intention or expectation otherwise.
However, once I decide that the aforesaid – herein you are designated together with Dov Farkas, Rabbi Genende perhaps even Robert Weil and the ‘moribund’ Rabbi Krasnjanski (MOND) are not able/willing to fix this STUSS, YOU SHOULD PERHAPS contemplate that not only will Zeimer find himself subject to my efforts to restrict access to C.H.C people will not last for long.
Your writer is not prepared to even contemplate what this might mean. Simply – I DO NOT WANT TO!
Zeimers are in Sydney. May I respectfully suggest that Mr. Kremnizer has a fax machine……
　
I/We wish you a ‘gut yahr’. Perhaps another time I will be able to let you know how my crippling varicose veins were CURED – completely – via cycling on an exercise bike.
If you fix our ‘tragedy’ – I promise not to tell anyone – so you will not have a dimunition in your income. Ho hum….
Regards
GS
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Conv: David Mond
Approx 10 a.m. Wed 7/10/09
He took the call almost instantly.
G: I would like to phone you at a time of your choosing – to talk to you about our being cut-off from our grandchildren
M: I do not want to be involved – it is a private matter
G: You know – it is an urban myth; Edmond Burke never said: "Evil triumphs when good men do NOTHING"
M: I took the call – as a courtesy. I do not want to be involved.
G: Well, you sought to involve yourself in the improprieties of the former administrators of the C.H.C.
He repeated his comment.
G: Well, David, I shall record in my notes that you sought not to be involved.
Addendum:
During the conv – which was brief – I told D.M. that how brother Barry had papers delivered to him a couple of days ago.
Fin
GS
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F 12.20 p.m. 7/10/09
Gary Frydman
Dear Gary
I send copy of fax to Robert Weil minutes ago.
Regards
G. Seidner
YOU WILL NOW/THEN BE BETTER INFORMED AS TO HOW ZEIMER HAS BEEN ABLE TO GET AWAY WITH 12 MONTHS OF HORROR FOR US.
(actually since 7 March 2007) since Ephraim Finch + Zeimer came to our door! (with news of the death of our daughter)
　
F 12.20 p.m.
Robert Weil Wed 7/10/09
CC Gary Frydman
Dear Robert,
I refer to our conversation some minutes ago.
You are kindly requested to pass on to Gary Frydman ALL OF MY FAXES sent you Re MATTERS OF OUR GRANDCHILDREN. I note that you only have "most of" my faxes: somehow you have lost (?) a small percentage – (which is sad, at best).
KINDLY SEND ME BY MAIL A FULL RESUME/DETAILS OF FAXES THUS PASSED ON TO GARY (To be done tomorrow)
I do not know what Gary and others who were approached ex C.H.C recently are intending to do. However, I say – this scenario? Is not going to continue – where this evil?.. R.W:"He doesn’t see it like that…."
G: Well? That is the way it is?? That is the way to see it?
Furthermore, if the Caulfield people? E.g. Gary F, Dov Farkas, Rabbi Genende, R Krasnjanski? Barry Mond don’t fix it by simply walking in on Zeimer telling him the game is up – I will take it to the general community. FURTHERMORE IRRESPECTIVE;
NOTE; TONIGHT I EXPECT TO TAKE MATTERS FURTHER IN
THE LEGAL DOMAIN
Take note that irrespective – there is no reason why you guys cannot fix this great evil of Judaic? Times. And you – Robert- you could also fix it with or without? The above people – if you stopped your fence sitting.
N.B. Questionmarks where I cannot recall precise words.
Regards,
G. Seidner
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Gary Frydman
Dear Gary,
Please pass on to R.W. @ your leisure: his fax was disconnected.
G.S
　
7/10/09
Fax #2
Dear Robert,
There is no doubt you spent much time – and my faxes ate up great chunks of your fax paper.
You were also harassed and harried – for no reward you tolerated it all.
Obviously it all started with the noble sentiment that you could settle this matter of our unilateral, sickening evisceration from our beloved grandchildren. Being mutual friend of both parties – you were – and REMAIN – in a unique situation.
However you got lost along the way. I have copious notes on all my faxes that were deemed NEEDING notes to be made.
At this moment – only this tangent comes to mind: (without referring to the notes).
When you came to our place 25/12/08 (G.S. notes dated 25/12/08 -!!) and my brief note 26/12/08. I tell you Robert – you do not want to see these notes about how you spent 2 hrs with Zeimer’s…and how "they want to fix things."
OH WHAT THE HECK – I FAX IT TO YOU TO REMIND YOU – ONLY ? pages, ROBERT – DO SOMETHING! Really do something!
It is never too late to recognize you have played a role that was at times more designated to keep on good terms with Zeimer than to sequester him on the altar of plain menshlechkeit! (decency)
I enclose only ? pages overleaf!
G.S.
Conversation Robert Weil Thurs 25/12/08
I cannot hide my shock that Robert Weil gave us the clear impression – nay actually said – that HE thought H. Zeimer was being reasonable in his (Z + W) discussion this morning.
R.W. Howard told me that things are progressing well: Aryeh has had 2 sessions with the psychologist. They have "settled down." Implication = no grandparents/4legs good
Robert apparently interrupted this – saying that he has??? Z upset? grandparents….(meek comments! G.S.)
(I do not remember his exact words – not important))
Zeimer went on: "They have to do this. They have seen a psychologist – and Eva has not (THIS WAS CORRECTED VIGOROUSLY!) How can’ R.W. not have spoken up on this on his own? Is he a fair player?? – note next.
Robert – incredibly said …"yes – but not an INDEPENDENT ONE!
I turned on Robert: What humbug: he is implying that the psychologist is not qualified – so – I said later with vulgarity implied – that "we will show him ours if he will show his!"
"Furthermore, Eva will – in view of Shoshi’s earlier humbug about "going to counselling TOGETHER – EVA WILL SEE THEIR PERSON – I CHALLENGED HIM (Z) to put up –or shut-up! Let this psychologist "P" – demonstrate the efficacy of this "ABERRANT GRIEVING" – which all the P’s we have seen insist is only in the lexicon of pretend P’s! ("medically trained")
Robert said he always thought it would be a good idea!
G.S: Notwithstanding the FAMILY Z ever-changing complaints from "she is watching me to wiping the floor and "Eva took Dina to the car" to picking up a rag, to the then infamous stuss of "aberrant grieving" – let this end – this nonsense – by doing what they asked for – (the gratuitous idea) of "we will go to counseling together with the Seidners’).
2. Then Zeimer switched to the idea that we have been bad mouthing them. His holier than thou response was (Z) that this should be kept PRIVATE! (I BET!)
3. The humbug continues – nay – post modernist humbug: WATCH THESE WORDS – EXACTLY AS HE SAID IT: (R.W. as per H.Z.)
"Even if Eva didn’t do what was agreed – seek counseling, things are progressing down a certain path. The children are of a vulnerable age – and they are confused."
He went on: "Eva and Geoff are thinking only of themselves – how it is affecting us – and they (Z) are thinking of the children."
Z goes on: "The same thing happened when he was President of Caulfield Shule. People were bad mouthing him – but it was the right thing to do.
Then he said: "He can’t allow himself to crumble to criticism."
G.S: I remonstrated with Robert – "can’t you see their humbug?
Please note carefully – I have never spelled it out so simply.
IRRESPECTIVE OF ALL THE STRONG WORDS I USED AGAINST ZEIMER WHEN HE EVISCERATED US – AND SUBSEQUENT WORDS IN various communications with rabbanim and you –
WHAT ZEIMER DID MUST AT LEAST BE UTTERLY UNREASONABLE; in any realm – it fails this test – if only this test.
Robert was dumbstruck.
4. Then Robert was told: about this scenario of us publically lacerating? him/them.
Tell me Robert: how would you answer those people who do not know what has happened to us?
Would you simply say… the unmitigated nonsense about "well, Eva deserved it – they/she have to bond with the children"?
Furthermore, what about the one’s who know? Their question is "How are things going?"
So – what would you have us say? How can any reasonable person NOT REALIZE THAT ALMOST ALL CONVERSATIONS ARE DOMINATED BY THIS (EVIL) THAT HAS BEEN DONE TO US.
Well may Zeimer resent that his actions are not being "shushed up" – but even children – The children are being poisoned against us.
I mentioned the story of ARYEH and his HIGHLY VARIABLE PRE-POST DEATH OF HIS MOTHER – AND THAT MEMORABLE DAY IN September when he had a ball with the CD in the car fixing it, and the passionfruit plant.
So, Robert – some of the nicest things you do with a child are this simple. However, from that point onwards we did not see Aryeh again."
During the foregoing – Eva said many things "It was OK in the first 16 months.."
R.W: Exactly - now he has a wife….(!)
E/G.S: He should have spoken to us like a mentsh, instead of doing this to us.
　
Much was repeated and perhaps little of importance was left out.
I STILL DO NOT UNDERSTAND R.W. I did tell him –to his many repetitions of him asking "not to shoot the messenger" –(a simple defence/contrivance by R.W!) that I (G.S.) understand that there are no benefits in this for him. All he can hope to achieve is a life-long problem of alienating someone.
5. However – I went on – when R.W. outrageously suggested that H.Z. did not RUBBISH us – contrasted with how I did to the contrary.
G.S. Well, Robert – well may he say this :WE ARE THE AGGRIEVED PARTY – (explanation obvious) (Eva – quote Ruchie – "He is a silent assassin") – so what would you expect?
It is outrageous that you have swallowed this piece of humbug – NAY YOU ACTUALLY created it! (I was shocked!)
No-one supports them – she is neurotic – nay – I went on to clearly say that she has a personality disorder!
We have read widely on this syndrome – and even if she is not as bad as the books designate – she is plainly not coping – as she said herself – and blaming Eva for everything! I told R.W. THIS IS CONFIDENTIAL
R.W: Of course!
I nearly forgot, R.W. told me that he had spoken with Rabbi Gutnick.
"Whilst Gutnick ‘sympathises with us’ Zeimers have not broken any laws…and accordingly he cannot convene a Beth Din."
Now – let it be understood that this is technically also an anomally.
To wit – I refer to my memorable conversation with Gutnick.
In this conversation I sequestered Gutnick and his manifest need to do NOTHING:
In answer to my question i.e: when Gutnick told me that there are two things that can be done:
a)Convene a Beth Din
b)Come down with a PSAK DIN During this conversation Gutnick said that there are "no areas of Jewish law that can be quoted that discuss the right of grandparents"-
I quickly cut him off thus:
G.S: WRONG In Australian law there are clear rights for grandparents. Whilst we do not wish to sue them, it does give you – THE BETH DIN – THE RIGHT TO GET INVOLVED – on the basis that Jewish law has to support Australian Law"
Gutnick: HOW do you know it?
G.S. "I know it! I have spoken with a solicitor – and he confirmed this to me. Furthrmore, it is not hard to confirm."
Gutnick: Indeed I will do so!
　
Therefore, it is noted that Gutnick changed the term of reference unilaterally!
When I asked him to propose a Psak Din – and tell Zeimer that his actions are wrong – somehow this got (conveniently!) lost – whereby he decided to seek the safety of claiming to be able to do nothing – on the dubious basis that Zeimer "didn’t break any law."
So – the humbug continues. The outrages are manifest by all parties – the sheer do-nothing –ignore wrong-at all cost has been manifested by all!
Let it be seen as an indictment of all!
All are gutless wonders at best.
I thought we were a special people.
I was wrong!
Zeimer is now free to exercise all his power play and no-one can stop him.
　
26/12/08 comv.
10.20a.m. R. Weil returns phone call.
I simply had a go at him – vigorously! - For simply saying that he supports Z’s actions!
You, Robert started out wit the idea THAT YOU WANTED TO FIX an injustice. You are now MANIFESTLY TAKING HIS SIDE
R.W: No…
G.S: Yes – you simply said this - my notes are accurate.
Kindly cease your activities – it simply you are effectively giving gravitas to Zeimers’s action!
R.W: Well maybe I should
G.S: Well – if you have fallen for his lies – hook, line and sinker – then so be it. But at the moment you remain our best hope.
I am faxing a letter to Beth Din (I told him about the Beth Din anomally – I read him the, at that stage, anticipated letter)
R.W…protested….ho hum!
G.S: Sorry Robert – I don’t buy it. It is outrageous… the things I wrote moments after you left – you did say things.
I asked you to hold him accountable. Palestinian humbug…etc..
R.W: Well, I spoke with Howard – he seems amenable to
Eva speaking with his psychologist.
G.S: (my comments were skeptical of his motivations)
Enough to say – I was EXTREMELY aggressive and R.W. had no choice but to "cop-it" I no longer recall exactly what I said.
　
3.15p.m. 7/10/09
Robert Weil phoned me.
Robert said Frydman just spoke to him: FRYDMAN DOES NOT WANT TO GET INVOLVED.
G.S: I guess that leaves legal action – I tried (Oh –and Barry Mond)
G.S. Why?
R.W…some words – then he (R.W.) came up with the whopper:
"Seidner is crazy – and if he comes anywhere near me I’ll take out an intervention order against him!" (G.S. in mild shock)
The conversation wavered between the irrelevant:
G.S:…I tried…and that is that
And Robert Weil claiming that he tried to tell him…about aberrant grieving" was not on…etc. etc.
G.S: I cut in: BUT YOU ROBERT; have you got any idea what you said on 28/1/08? That Howard was RIGHT!
The conversation then died a natural death.
P.S. I wonder if Frydman and R.W. saw my last fax? AND whether FRYDMAN’S QUITING HAD ANYTHNG TO DO WITH THAT!
G.S.
　
Rabbi Telsner 8/10/09
Dear Rabbi Sprung & (Ronnie F)
Enclose latest
It is not possible to appreciate the earlier.
This is being sent to request PERHAPS you could contact Rabbi Genende.
NO DOUBT I NEED TO SPEAK WITH YOU
Regards
Geoff
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F. 12.20 p.m. cc to R. Weil, etc
Garry Frydman 8/10/09
Dear Garry
Robert Weil phoned me approx 3.15p.m. yesterday. He informed me that: "GARRY FRYDMAN DOES NOT WANT TO GET INVOLVED" and when mildly pressed offered your other comments: "SEIDNER IS CRAZY – AND IF HE COMES ANYWHERE NEAR ME I WILL TAKE OUT AN INTERVENTION ORDER AGAINST HIM"
I was in mild shock; I have not written anything that could even remotely justify the absurdium of an INTERVENTION ORDER – either by you (and it is understood your INT. ORDER MALARKEY IS BASED ON A DEFENSIVE SCENARIO FOR DOING NOTHING! So be it, Garry. But do not be SILLY and imply I am even remotely a threat to you.
Your writer will take the insult of the moniker in the same vein: SIMPLY A SILLY EXCUSE FOR DOING NOTHING.
I really do not mind the insult. IF – AFTER RUCHIE’S DEATH – AND after what ZEIMER’S have done to us – and after the extra-ordinary – at time humourous comments in my faxes over the past 2 weeks – you could simultaneously feel THREATENED – and call me CRAZY – then methinks the readers of these correspondences will surely think these comments say more about your motivations than anything about my person.
I tell you Garry – a friend of mine hanged himself a few months ago. He was not even remotely close to being ‘under the sort of pressure we are! CRAZY? Maybe those who commit SUICIDE ARE CRAZY –but don’t you dare – DON’T YOU DARE – ATTEMPT SUCH LIGHTWEIGHT LANGUAGE! IF YOU HADE 1% OF THE STRESSES – I WOULD WISH FOR YOU TO REMAIN AS RATIONAL AND ELOQUENT AS GEOFF SEIDNER!
All I ask, Mr. Frydman – IS THAT YOU SHOW ANYONE THIS FAX BEFORE YOU CALL ME ‘CRAZY’ OR WHATEVER.
Methinks I deserve an apology – but I will not be holding my breath.
2. IF THERE IS ANYTHING SLANDEROUS OR DEFAMATORY TO ANY PARTIES IN ANY OF MY FAXES – then these parties should know – nay – it is INCUMBENT ON them to find out – that TRUTH IS DEEMED TO BE A DEFENCE PER ABOVE.
And – in the process of this ‘TRUTH’ being discovered by the courts – it is also incumbent on them to realize that all sorts of things maybe discovered that may not be in their domain to control.
3. But there is one thing that is controllable: all the parties who have been designated in my scribbles – essentially ALL of them – let them all understand that when common decency warranted your involvement YOU ALL DID NOTHING – AND SOME of you used MALARKEY AS AN EXCUSE!
I wonder what the children will say….WE CONTINUE IN OTHER REALMS & ARENAS!
Yours sincerely
G. Seidner
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CC To Mizrachi. Etc
Garry Frydman 15/10/09
President WARNING: THIS IS A LEGAL DOCUMENT!
C.H.C CC FOR R.W. – Please
Dear Garry
I refer to my brief conversation early this morning in Mizrachi Shule (7 a.m.) with the Executive Director – the esteemable Ronnie Figdor. As part of another matter of minor import which I initiated, Ronnie informed me that he had a phone call from you – presumably a few days ago.
It is understood you told R.F. to ask me to cease sending faxes to C.H.C – because the matter of our unilateral evisceration from our grandchildren Zeimer is a "private matter." You, methinks even suggested that C.H.C would CHARGE me for the cost of fielding these faxes. In an earlier communication to Robert Weil, you told R.W. that "I was crazy – and if I ever came near you, you would take out an intervention order against me."
In another fax I have commented on the latter comments to R.W: me thinks you have not learned from it. Notwithstanding the LOSHAN HARA (evil talk) of my "crazyness" – you should be aware that it is fatuous to attempt to reason with people you CLAIM are ‘crazy’. Methinks it is an understatement that you are NEITHER about to declare me ‘crazy.’ – OR take out an intervention order per your wish list #1.
You also told staff at C.H.C. – according to R.W. – to destroy my faxes – if I recall correctly. Kindly note that I applaud your altruism – and you really want me to get "treatment" for my "crazyness’. In that realm, it would be disingenuous for C.H.C staff to destroy my faxes – as you could surely use them to have me ‘certified’ – or as per the ‘AVO’.
I have already warned you that the law works in a way at significant variance from your unfortunate scenario. Therefore, I remind you that it is incumbent on you to not destroy documents that are clearly, sadly designated for the courts!! Earlier, I merely cautioned you in another way.
There is or course another reason why you would not want to destroy documents: THESE DOCUMENTS – AND ALL THE EARLIER – MAY ENABLE OTHER PARTIES – TO REALIZE THAT THEY NEED TO GET SPECIALIZED TREATMENT.
It is not possible, Garry Frydman for the President of the Senate to argue that the accusation of wrong-doing by the P.M. (or Vice President) is a ‘private matter’. This is not the way the world works, Garry F! Howard Zeimer cannot pretend to be merely wearing a private hat – if his actions in cutting-off access to his dead wife’s parents – is so egregious – deemed so by any/all Rabbi’s who seek to be informed – and not susceptible to Zeimer’s "the kids are traumatized" nonsense – that he is holding on to a position that will surely further damage his wife and himself. To wit: ZEIMER HOLD PUBLIC OFFICE THROUGH THOSE WHO VOTED HIM IN TO HIS CURRENT VICE PRESIDENT ROLE.
It is reasonable to assume that he aspires to your job, G.F.
HIS BEHAVIOUR CANNOT BE EXCUSED VIA YOUR MONIKER OF ‘PRIVATE MATTER’!
In the same way the P.M. of Australia would be sequestered for his "private" actions.
Kindly advise H.Z. that virtually NOTHING LEGALLY and TECHNICALLY WILL BE OBVIATED BY ME TO REGAIN ACCESS TO OUR GRANDCHILDREN. And – as a legal friend said – that she would tell Zeimer to "fix it – and he can do it the easy way – or the hard way."
His offer – per his letter of 3/9/09 will be deemed by anyone with a sense of even remote reasonableness – as a CONTEMPTIBLE ABSURDITY WRITTEN AND COMPOSED BY A PERSON who CHILDISHLY THINKS HE IS THUS DEEMED TO HAVE "MADE AN OFFER.’
Once again I write this: I am simultaneously exploring avenues that would horrify Zeimer. So – Howard – do it the easy way: SIT DOWN AND TALK THE TALK G. Seidner
P.S. Perhaps Garry – you should speak with Mizrachi President SHLOIMI MENAHAM? I doubt whether SHLOIMI M would attempt to silence me – AFTER HE SPEAKS WITH RABBI SPRUNG!
And – you do not want to seriously contemplate where Rabbi Sprung would take any conversation about our evisceration at the hand of Zeimer.
So – I go on. You will no doubt hear about it via actions much sooner than any later. IT IS STILL NOT TOO LATE FOR ZEIMER TO SETTLE THIS TRAGEDY THAT WILL DO HIM/HER NO GOOD! Politically, psychologically and nay even morally! G. S.
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16/10/09
Dear Rabbis’ Sprung and Figdor
I enclose the latest to my soulmate Garry Frydman.
Regards,
Shabbat Shalom,
Geoff Seidner
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F. 2.45p.m.
16/10/09
Garry Frydman
Dear Garry,
I wish to correct a minor error in yesterday’s fax. In reference to my writings being "a legal document". That may not be a completely reasonable thing to write.
It goes like this, Garry
Whilst the material may be important – or I MAY THINK IT TO BE ‘IMPORTANT’ – IT IS NOT IN/OF ITSELF NECESSARILY SO! Indeed – if it is untenable rubbish – it will be so indicted. Let it be understood that even if it indeed WAS so indictable – ZEIMER should see it: SIMPLY SO HE COULD SO INDICT ME IN FRONT OF THE BEWIGGED ONES,
OR – PERHAPS MORE IMPORTANTLY – SO HE COULD SUE ME ON THE BASIS OF WHAT IS THEREIN/HEREIN.
(I guess there is a problem here: if Garry Frydman insists on calling/designating me ‘crazy’ – I may not be legally responsible for what I write. Sigh.)
So – as Danny Kaye said in ME AND THE COLONEL; "There are two possibilities" Indeed: either I am crazy – or I am not. If you have not been able to follow all of this – one would doubt whether you are in a position to adjudicate on my sanity.
Either way – Zeimer should contemplate all of this with the advice of his wife’s many psychologists: she told us many moons ago that she has a few.
I will not tell anyone if you pass on my faxes to Howard – and as a result he decides that here again there are two possibilities:
He accepts that his evil decree is at an end – and he must end it – and to use whatever contrivance to do so.
Or – he wishes to encourage me to do my best in continuing our simple wish to have loving contact with our grandchildren! I GUESS I MUST BE MAD TO WANT THIS! I do not wish to continue the things that HAVE ESSENTIALLY BEEN STARTED.
　
Once again, I ask you to get involved. It is all heading a nasty way.
I/We do not want this
Regards,
GEOFF SEIDNER
　
　
Telephone call from Robert W. 12.30p.m. 18/10/09
Robert:
"GARRY AND I GAVE HOWARD A TALKING TO LAST NIGHT."
(Yes – they were the words he used)
G.S: He should take the opportunity….
R.W: You see, there was an executive meeting of the C.H.C at my place last night. After everyone else left, Garry, Howard and I stayed behind. We told Howard…to fix it (I don’t remember his exact words)
Howard countered with (some sort of) comments: "THEY (E & G) should have taken the opportunity of speaking with his (Z’s) psychologist…"
G: I AM GOING TO IGNORE THAT I HEARD THAT! AFTER HE PROMISED* DR. ROTTEM ACCESS TO THE ‘ABERRANT’ PSYCHOLOGIST – AND THEN REFUSING TO ALLOW IT – FOR HIM TO NOW CLAIM THIS IS HUMBUG OF UNBELIEVABLE PROPORTIONS!!
* promised to Rabbi Kluwgant R.W. Indeed: I told him… (more or less his words)
Anyway Howard agreed to attend mediation. (I do not remember his exact words G.S)
Robert continued asking questions about the actual procedure.
G.S I do not know. As soon as I make the call – as soon as a mediator is agreed to - both Zeimer’s and Seidner’s ‘lose’ control – and will be guided by the mediator.
One thing I can tell you. The agreement will be court endorsed via COURT ENDORSED ORDERS – AND YOU will appreciate why we need to do this!! THIS MUST NOT HAPPEN AGAIN – (and we do not trust them!)
Anyway – thank you very much for your efforts!
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The above is an actual expansion* of the conversation – to enable the reader to understand the co text.
Furthermore, this transcript was written a day later – and the words – some of them – are approximations of actual words used.
Fin
G.S
*Expansion: MEANING THAT THERE WAS NO REASON TO GO INTO EXPLANATION RE ROTTEM IN ORIGINAL CONV: R.W. KNEW IT ALL
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Sent to G. Frydman!
To…….
Thurs 22/10/09
PERSONAL NOTES
　
　
　
　
　
1 Eva has had a number of conversations with psychologists and mediators. A number of things are reasonably seen as following on – yet we would feel more confident if we had an answer of sorts.
Below are these questions in some sort of priority
IT SEEMS THAT WE WERE WRONG – IN THAT THERE IS NO NEED TO GIVE THE OTHER SIDE ‘OPTIONS’ IN TERMS OF THE CHOICE OF MEDIATOR. This follows on from Eva’s conversation with RELATIONSHIPS AUSTRALIA – whereby the person was keen on us making an appointment immediately. It seemed that Zeimer’s refusal to attend this hypothetical formal mediation would result in a certificate being issued. THIS IS A MAJOR QUESTION – THOUGH PLAINLY OF A PRO-FORMA NATURE.
We have to date not got around to responding to Zeimer’s letter of 3/9/09. I would expect, that our REFUSAL to accept these agregious terms and conditions can be incorporated in a letter to call Zeimer/s to formal mediation.
OR – we simply formally write to him along these lines – KEEPING IT SIMPLE?
Robert Weil in his pro-forma letter – was suggesting the scenario of both parties bringing along THEIR PSYCHOLOGIST. Seemingly – in some ways SADLY – THIS CANNOT BE CREATED – AS IT IS CLEAR TO US NOW THAT IT INIMICAL TO THE PROCESS OF MEDIATION. (How would it be that there was a series of major/minor/procedural and even real-world debates in an internecine talk fest!)
Seek to clarify whether we can ask/request/demand that the WIFE attends. Here we can reasonably postulate that whilst Zeimer is ostensively in charge of his own children – SHE IS – AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE PROGENITOR of our evisceration! THIS IS SURELY ‘MAJOR’!
It is now understood that fees of mediation are shared.
On the basis of a conversation with ONE of our POTENTIAL MEDIATORS I WAS TOLD THAT: "….ALL THAT IS DISCLOSED IN MEDIATION * SEE P4 (hand written notes) (DEEMED TO BE CONFIDENTIAL – AND WITHOUT PREJUDICE)". This person told me that this is done so the parties are encouraged to speak freely – and perhaps the dispute can be settled?
IT HAS TO BE ADDED THAT THIS POTENTIAL MEDIATOR WAS DISCUSSING THE SCENARIO WHEREIN AND WHEREBY ALL PARTIES (ALL MALE/FEMALE INC SHOSHI…) WOULD BE IN MEDIATION TOGETHER – WITH THE MEDIATOR CHARGING $300 PER HOUR – SAY OVER A MAXIMUM OF 4 HOURS – TOTAL $1500(?) – INC THE PRELIMINARY TELEPHONE CALL MADE BY MEDIATOR TO THE RESPECIVE PARTIES IN ORDER TO FACILITATE THE ABOVE.
Therefore, it may follow on that this NON-DISCLOSURE CLAUSE MAY ONLY BE A CLAUSE EXCLUSIVE TO THIS* (see p3 hand written notes) MEDIATOR! e.g. What sort of immoral scenarios would be caused if during the mediation it became obvious that the woman was a manipulative, self-serving sly twit with a personality disorder that plainly designates her as a REAL-LIFE THREAT TO THE CHILDREN? ‘ TO THE HUSBAND? TO US? TO THE MEDIATOR? TO THE (INCIPIENT) COURT? POTENTIAL MURDERER? Oh dear!
Therefore, I postulate that the above unilateral, unconditional non-disclosure is simply not acceptable.
I now wish to go into the scenario essentially implied as some sort of ‘solution’ by Robert Weil whereby Zeimer’s psychologist and OUR psychologist would ‘meet’. This was touted by Robert as indeed Zeimer touted it in various conversations. I have remonstrated on this earlier – notes days ago.
I POINTED OUT THE CONTEMPTUOUS HUMBUG MANIFEST IN THIS! The outrage – whereby Zeimer promised RABBI SHLOMO MEIR KLUWGANT – RABBI OF THE RABBINIC COUNCIL OF AUSTRALIA – THAT HE (ZEIMER) WOULD ALLOW ‘OUR’ PSYCHOLOGIST TO INTERVIEW ZEIMER’S ABERRANT* (p5 hand written notes) PSYCHOLOGIST . SIMPLY – ZEIMER LIED. HE REFUSED TO ALLOW THIS TO TAKE PLACE – AFTER WASTING 6 WEEKS ON THIS – MARCH-APRIL 2009 METHINKS (to be checked – easy to do!) * (see p5 hand written notes) ABERRANT PSYCHOLOGIST – ON WHOSE STRANGE DESIGNATION OF MY WIFE EVA was stated to be AS AN ‘ABERRANT GRIEVER’ – this WAS USED BY ZEIMER AS MERELY THE LATEST IN HIS VISICITUDINOUS EXCUSES for CUTTING US OFF FROM OUR GRANDHILDREN!
As if the above absurdity was not bad enough. Now he simultaneously promulgates (his offer 3/9/09) this idea – which he refused to allow etc. – as yet another contrivance to contemptuously WASTE TIME! HIS PORTENTUOUS, GRATUITOUS TALKFEST IS NOT ATTACHED TO ANY MEANINGFUL SOLUTION – PURE HUMBUG OF AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE THAT MAKES YES MINISTER PALE INTO GOOD GOVERNANCE! TO SUGGEST THAT THE ABOVE IS BAD FAITH IS SUCH AN UNDERSTATEMENT – SO SICK- as to indict it into the worst humbug along with the so-called ‘PEACE PROCESS’ being promoted by Palestinian ‘moderate’ factions – simultaneous to their having in their Constitution their raison de’etre – for the DESTRUCTION AND MASS MURDER FOR ISRAEL/JEWS. The above is merely a rhetorical stream to accurately demonstrate PURE HUMBUG!
3 As a SIGNIFICANT ASIDE – reference is herein made to Yes Minister.
"MINISTER – I HAVE A BRILLIANT IDEA YOU SHOULD INSIST THAT CERTAIN PERFORMANCE STANDARDS NEED TO BE AGREED ON AT THE COMMENCEMENT OF A PROJECT.
TO WIT: THE PROJECT WILL BE DEEMED A SUCCESS IF GIVEN A SET OF PRE-AGREED STANDARDS ARE MET – AND DEEMED A FAILURE IF THEY ARE NOT.
MINISTER: BRILLIANT! We will do it.
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Oh – by the way – Sir Humphrey was mortified
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4 It is a great shock to me that Robert Weil is seemingly oblivious to the above.
G.S
We go on! There are NO LIMITS TO WHAT IS CONTEMPLATED F 1.34 p.m. (to C.H.C)
Robert Weil
Cc Garry Frydman , etc 22/10/09 (erroneous date on
original fax 21/10/09)
Dear Robert
I refer to your conversation with Eva last night. You indicated to her that Zeimer at no stage agreed to mediation!
I now send you a resume of OUR conversation 12.30 p.m. Sunday 18/10 09. Your writer has an excellent recall of conversations – so long as they are written down within a day or so.
THIS CONVERSATION WAS RELATIVELY EASY TO RECALL – SIMPLY BECAUSE OF IT’S IMPORT. It was written up within the same day.
Appreciate that your writer does NOT have perfect recall; some of the words attributed to you cannot be 100% accurate per se. HOWEVER – FOR ALL PRACTICAL PURPOSES IT IS A REASONABLE SYNOPSIS.
In particular – note comments (p2 hand written notes) "Anyway, Howard agreed to attend mediation (I do not remember his exact words)"
The above is essentially correct! PERIOD!
Furthermore, note the rest – particularly ALL OF P3 (handwritten notes ) (and p2 [hand written] a bit). THERE IS NO WAY YOU COULD FORGET MY WORDS!
"One thing…..once I make the call to the mediator…Zeimer and Seidner lose control…court endorsed etc. etc…"
LOOK AGAIN TO YOUR CLAIM…it is not reasonable to suggest - in their context that ZEIMER did not agree to mediation.
Simply my words were so unusual – perhaps even with innate errors of minor proportions (re losing control) – that I WANT IT UNDERSTOOD I AM ABOUT TO RESUME HOSTILITIES.
A few hours ago I sent you a resume of my private thoughts on this evil. Surely an astonishing document – far too many realms.
Please understand that I have similar, copious notes – which will make astonishing reading to any relevant people I deign to show it/them too.
It will not take much to resume full war – which I made an attempt to stop PENDING JUST THAT CONVERSATION OF 18/10/09.
May I once again thank you. However, once you have taken this on again, it is incumbent on you to remember matters of great import.
P.S. How do you think the boys would feel if I showed them the letter Melboune Beth Din. 15/10/09?
GEOFF SEIDNER
　
F: C.H.C 3.18p.m.
F: R.W. 9525-2733 3.19 p.m.
Robert Weil, 23/10/09
Garry Frydman
C/- C.H.C
Dear Garry, Robert,
I write to inform you – and family Zeimer – that unless we have a real-world solution to our evisceration from our grandchildren, we will be taking steps without recourse to family Zeimer.
We need to hear from someone by Sunday 25/10/09.
We do not expect after the events of the last week, etc. – to hear from anyone.
Yours sincerely,
GEOFF SEIDNER
　
　
Robert Weil (3.35p.m.) 30/10/09
He phoned me – in response to an earlier call from me: "what’s news" Then I proceeded (earlier to tell him re Nechama Bendet and her letter on behalf of the school requesting that we do not see the children at school etc.)
During this earlier phone call, I told him there is a fax waiting for him and Garry Frydman in the pigeon hole
R: Garry doesn’t read them.
G: I bet…he does! I know he does.
R: Nechama will not bother reading it
G: OH YES SHE WILL: however she may not care to send my 30? Pages on to Zeimer: please give Zeimer your copy.
R: O.K.
Now to the 3.35p.m. phone call:
Robert: Actually, I am a bit unhappy with you: you made comments about my mediation and drafting of the letter – and I thought Howard was agreeable to mediation but at no stage did I show the letter to Howard – and you did not proceed with it.
G: WHOA! Hold it a minute. One thing at a time! Let us understand a few things. You have been doing ‘mediation’ for 12 months or so.
The fact that it has proved fruitless – and has been so because of Zeimer’s attitude – does not of itself imply an insult to you.
Furthermore – the act of your draft – used or not used – IS irrelevant. HE HAS REFUSED EVERYTHING. Also not an insult!
So – let us take first things first. FOR ME TO HAVE MADE MENTION OF YOU IN 2 WAYS
Mediation (over 12 months)
Your draft
It has to be taken one issue at a time. If you care to do that – you will see that I have not been ungenerous even to you….certainly nothing to complain about what I wrote about you.
R: But it won’t do any good – it will just get his back up.
G: Congratulations! That is just the point. I WANT TO ENCOURAGE HIM TO SUE ME or TAKE OUT AN INTERVENTION ORDER….
Now that it seems reasonable to assume that Nechama will not pass on my letter – I am relying on you to give him your copy. Give him a chance to consider his position!
R: O.K.
G: Look Robert: I have an extraordinary mind – you know that.
I am highly rational – and I hope I have demonstrated that you have no valid complaint against what was written to Nechama Bendet. (school)
Please let me know if you hear anything.
I always look forward to hearing from you.
Fin GS
　
2/11/09
Dear Rabbi Genende I refer to our recent conv, outside Caulf. Shule – where your colourless, moribund refrain was:
"I CAN’T DO ANYTHING’
Your writer suggested for your contemplation the well-known urban myth ex EDMUND Bourke about evil triumphing……..
Well, Rabbi: IF NOT YOU –WHO? IF NOT NOW – WHEN? What will you say to your grandchildren when they ask you – why you showed such manifest cowardice? WITH HASHEMS HELP – I WILL TELL THEM MYSELF!
　
G. Seidner
4.50p.m.
Geoff Freeman
Manager C.H.C 2/11/09
Dear Mr. Freeman,
Robert Weil has conveyed to me that it is your opinion/request that I cease using CHC offices as a conduit for extensive/long faxes to do with our evisceration from our Zeimer grandchildren.
In principle, your writer will abide by that scenario. My reasons for sending faxes are essentially at an end.
I note you sympathise with our position. Life is too restrictive for me to contemplate a unilateral cessation of faxes.
Yours sincerely,
GEOFF SEIDNER
　
Monday, 9/11/09
Sometime in the morning I phoned C.H.C. and merely wanted to speak with the Office Manager, Freeman. I told the lady who picked up the phone – that I merely wanted to have a friendly conversation with him - because matters seemed to finish on such an unfriendly note.
The lady said:
"We have been told not to accept any calls from you – not to pass on any messages.." and I think she also said something about shredding my faxes.
I was stunned – and I left it at that. Your writer was more interested in my incipient action re Nechama Bendet – Yeshivah Centre.
Indeed, later that afternoon I did write TO NECHAMA – arguably more interesting than C.H.C.
Early in the morning of Tues 10/11/09 – the FRYDMAN LETTER was found in our letterbox. G.S.