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cc16 29/7 Brief analysis of Zeimer's Affidavit of 2010 to Family Court

From: g87
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 1:09 PM
Subject: Brief analysis of Zeimer's Affidavit of 2010 to Family Court

Dear Nick
I want to tell you before I see you people tomorrow that I have a filing cabinet full of documents that show how badly we were treated by Howard Zeimer.
Herein I send you merely one – the one Juon deigned  to not accept with his ‘beatified nonchalance’ look  as you will remember the phrase.
Here it is for you: remember that this is only one document.
Catholic Care have behaved disgracefully if only to the extent of treating Howard Zeimer’s unfathomable contempt and venomous hatred for us as acceptable and worse.
May you one day at least partly understand what your people tried so unfairly to do to my wife and myself.
See you at 4 pm tomorrow.
What on earth will you say....
Yours Sincerely
Geoff Seidner
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 10:14 AM
Subject: For Dr Adler: Brief analysis of Zeimer's Affidavit
For Dr Adler: Brief analysis of Zeimer's Affidavit,
2/12/2010
Faxed 10 30 am
Dear Dr Adler, The below must have minor errors - written in a mere few short hours overnight.
It has been done to perhaps enable you to have a real - life perspective of what resides in Howard Zeimer's 216 page Affidavit.
I am sure the children will fare well when you see them with their father tomorrow.
Yours Sincerely,
Eva and Geoff Seidner
ANALYSIS OF HOWARD ZEIMER'S FAMILY COURT AFFIDAVIT  1/12/10
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#11
[SEE also #38 g]
HUMBUG! Refer to his offer of 3/9/09: this is not an acceptable offer: drafted to guarantee non access to our beloved grandchildren. I have written on this showing the obvious and the not - so - obvious - wherein:
  1. He somehow cricizes his own children's school's chief Rabbi Telsner for supporting us. There is no other connotation.
  2. He wishes to ''appease our desires'' - what a pathetic, incongruant phrase devoid of meaning. Yet simultaneosly vitiating it with: ''Yet it is not necessarily in the children's best interest''
  3. AND THE BEST LIE: HE IS WILLING TO ESTABLISH CONTACT BETWEEN THE CHILD THERAPIST [the Cairnmillar troika, as it turns out]  so long as it is not a court mediator'' !!
  4. And it gets worse: HE LIED!! HE REFUSED JUST THE THING HE MELIFLUOUSLY RAMBLES ABOUT - WHEREIN HE LIED TO RABBI KLUWGANT AND THE ESTEEMED PSYCHYATRIST MORRY ROTEM: SEE #18 below!
  5. And read the rest: he promises to establish contact with Cainmiller trio - which he had earlier refused!!
  6. Oh - and the mere pedestrian lies: he repeats the humbug about wishing to reunite the children with us - so long as we never set eyes on them outside an ethereal time scale that would never happen!
IT IS ORWEILLIAN!

#12
See #13
Refer to Eva's story in answer to his IVO  written .August 2008: an accurate resume of our lives he has not debunked. [It is also a point - by - point debunking of his IVO: it has been posted to Dr Adler weeks ago.
'After Sept 2008 we hardly saw the children  except when we went to school to pick up and  Eva's volunteer work.  Dina showed no resistance and was always coming up for hugs and kisses when she saw me at school.  Reuven was also not distant -  till later.  Eva  did not see Aryeh much; he was having trouble coping since his mother died and displayed signs of anger - physical anger.

#13
See #11
See #38 g
After what Zeimer has done everything to stop us having any contact - it is HUMBUG to suggest that ''he wants us to have a meaningfull relationship with the grandchildren''! And LOOK how many times he repeats this humbug:
page 3 item 1
page 4 item 1
      Aff#12
           #13
           #14
#11
#38g
And probably elsewhere as well.
Just how much effirt do I( put into cross - indexing his dubious claims - to be dramatically over - generous!
Furthermore: wanting to tell them we loved them after being there for them from the beginning of their lives - is this ''concerning behaviour''?
Zeimer is outrageously disengenuous! And worse!
I [Eva] was  volunteering to help other children at school and saw them.  I also went  to their  synagogue intermittently as I did when Ruchie was alive! It is a a public place not restricted to members. No matter how elsewhere improper / inappropriate  Zeimer tries to make our attendance at Caulfield Hebrew Congregation!!
What would the children think if we were there for them only to dissappear from their lives? IS THIS POSTULATED BY REASONABLE PEOPLE AS 'NORMAL' BEHAVIOUR?    Would  this make them feel more secure?
And - by the way - this was not the first time the INTERVENTION ORDER WAS USED AS A WEAPON! There was never any justification for this IVO: it has been greatly criticized in our community: only their acolytes would even think of justifying the Intervention Order against your dead wife's parents - the maternal grandparents of your children! 
See
Somehow, he tries to justify it.

#14
See also #18
Where were his experts at the beginning ???   School  had to almost force him to get the children to see someone. We were also behind the 'push.'
Does the reader want to contact the school psychologist Peter Wilson - to see what he knows about matters Zeimer?
We tried - and Zeimer stopped our access to 'sensitive ' information!
The Peter Wison file - sent to Dr Adler already - has much informatin about the reality of what Zeimer did / did not do - and much about my seeing Aryeh which Zeimer so plainly disembles [to be over - generous]

#15
OK so he conceedes, reluctantly!

#16
Ruchie dies.

#17
    Eva spent many hours making sure the house weas running smoothly  Mornings, afterschool, weekends.   Doing whatever was necessary. AS WOULD ANYONE, SURELY!

#18
So he further conceedes there were problems extant then  - for which he only later started blaming us for :
SEE ALSO #11 #28 #29 #30 #31 #38c  AND #38 PQR!!! et al
Simply outrageous!
There were many questions Eva  had to answer that they did not ask their father   e.g.  they were scared as to who would look after them if something happened to their father.  They told me about incidents at school - some other children were making hurtful comments  - Reuvi especially.
See above see above....
Note that the problems were later all allocated to us - how pathetic that he does not have the skills to hide this!!!
  1. By even lacking the skills in understanding that in his own words he stands indicted. 
  2. That is even in the very  act of listing this [#18]  he admits that there were massive problems before he / they indicted us with everything untoward!
  3. Thus he essentially if only herein discredits himself / themselves in their multifarious evil claims against us! SIMPLY PATHETIC!
Cairnmiller ..see how proudly Zeimer refers many times to his ''expert opinion'' in the dubious context of demonising us!
See # 31, 32, [38]  38c, 39, 40,etc
He fed Cairnmiller women the info - he laid down the track which he forced the train / children to repeat - then it was no wonder they [Cainmiller]  recklessly agreed to obey Zeimer! ALL this without seeing us, of couse - which Zeimer refused!
Mind you: Zeimer was acted outrageously  to Rabbi Kluwgant Australia's main Rabbi at the time - and Psychiatrist Morry Rottem! [ see our Affidavits delivered to Dr Adler.
I wonder why this matter did not find it's way into his Affidavit!
Zeimer was found out per above, by the above. THERE IS NOWHERE TO HIDE!
I guess it could be designated worse.
Thus HE TAUMATIZED HIS CHILDREN - AND OUTRAGEOUSLY BLAMED US!!

#19
Cairnmiller

#20
Married

#21
Sima

#22
   Not true - We never encouraged them to stay -  they  used to take hoje little treats every week   - tried to fit in with Shoshana's desires as to when she would pick up   Once Dina was grumpy so Eva  carried her out to Shoshna's car     No comments were made to the dhildren about ''staying with us''.
A LIE!!  We were happy that they had someone to create a home for them: as would any grandparent in any circumstances.
I HENCEFORTH WILL CALL THESE NON - CREDIBLE LIES [NCL]
That is = no one with any common sense would think we would make these comments!!

#23
 NCL; WHY WOULD EVA SAY THIS?? the suggestion that the children even HEARD this - which never took place - is absurd. They were too busy playing with Geoff! to even attempt to make the corrolary with something that never happened with subsequent bad behaviour post facto by the children - says more about her than Eva!
NBShoshana had told us that we were welcome to come unnanounced as we were the grandparents and should continue to have a relationship with the children.
THIS MAKES Z's CLAIM HEREIN A  DISENGENUOUS LIE.
...That we would come over frequently / unannounced! NCL
Perhaps misbehaving  on their own  he had bought a new person into their lives  living in same house maybe that also had an effect?  perhaps should have been a totally new start  
As he was not there how can he say such things?  - Homework was done and I never compared her: that would be silly.  What do I care if she could cook or not  as long as she was looking afte the  children.  Lots  of takeaway available if she could  not cook.    What did the children say or was it being twisted to suit parents needs??    
Furthermoreith  with 7 children running around and getting dinner organised  there nothing else to do but talk about their mother???  This is so absurdist and untrue.
Would you believe that the Zeimers started spreading that our home was a photographic mausoleum for our late daughter?
Our home has not changed to reflect this or any other lies - since Ruchie died; everyone will attest.

#24
  I always made a birthday cake for my grandchildren and we celebrated on the closest Thursday night as all the cousins were together at dinner.  Shoshana came with her daughter. At this stage - Shoshana   appreciated time alone and would only bring Sima when she came to pick them up-   That week she bought Sima  earlier and in fact our daughter Debbie and her husband Yoel were here. And Howard came later to help celebrate
I believe she made  another party over the weekend. Whch was fine...
#25
No demands were made  - a request was made to see them sometime during the  holiday  - not necessarily weekends at all, as we were not seeing them much and had looked after them  p[reviously during holidays - boys day camp....   Dina with me.   

#26
  Veiled  threats were issued to us  that we would not see the children at all  she was feeling threated compared etc..........  how she felt as a woman then she found nightie belonging to Ruchie. 
She was living in  the same house after all did was she expect to have no sign of her having lived there 
Accused of not looking her in the eye.
Come to think of it - let me postulate an idea as to what rules Shoshana's mind:
  1. We came to the door. once, only, methinks - so I recall: AND BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED LATER, I HAD REASON TO DOCUMENT!
  2. She opened it with Dina hiding behind her skirt - like little girls can do.
  3. We smile at Dina - and greet them both  - sadly without offensive intent in not looking at her. There was only a momentary opportunity to 'look her in the eye'![mind you - in social situations that discomfort her she gives the telephone salute of purporting to have a call: she still does this, I am told]
  4. Lo! she has an excuse locked into her mind to dissemble later. She is 'wonderful' at locking things like that into her mind - ne'er having to confront reality.
  5. It found it's way into their banning us - and one of their imagined  excuses!!
And that is merely one tangent!
#27
[See above #26]
Not true - did not continue going to their house  - we said we understood during the week ;was not suitable   disrupting their routine.
When she was ill I actually came to stay with her to she could pick up other children from school.   
Howard was not there: Geoff  would not have hung her upside down.  If anything he would have been cuddling with her as young children need when unwell. We do not recall this inherent nonsense NCL
#28
NCL!
Aryeh   was angry child  even when his  mother was alive.
Once he cracked an  elbow by slamming door to his room. He physically kicked me on another occasion. Then the burst ot crying.
There were Friday nights dinners with auntie / uncle and cousins when he would not come to dinner -  before their marriage .
But of course only we were to blamed irrationally, selectively for what were  innate major problems out of our domain of reasonable responsibility.

#29
NCL!
Mere hearsay! This sounds so contrived: over any levels of reasonableness; as does #30
Any words can be twisted to suit ANY occasion  Never heard him say he was responsible for Ruchie's death although i guess it cannot be ruled out: for once - there may be an element of truth in their internicine dissembling: but look how contrived, overly structured and self - serving is their language is!
In fact it was Reuvi who asked me if she died because she had been angry at him the night before - he had been misbehaving.
How tragic!
And they have the gall to invert, invent, and so plainly reconfigure reality?
Shameful.
  I did occasionally talk about their mother: is that a sin???

#30
Dina comment:
How sick to attribute this concoction to Eva!
NCL!!!
#31
How convenient for Cairmiller to come to their 'rescue':
How could she so advise: no contact with us,  never seen  us, never talked to us , based merely on  on Zeimers' new - found unfortunate attitude against us!!
And the reader should read #18 above! 
#32
Good - old - Cairnmiller is used as justification for unilaterally cutting us off!
Seemingly everywhere  the importance of grandparents  in granchildrens' lives is manifestly deemed desirable. It is a non - brainer accepted by mainstream psychologists! seemingly by all but a troika at Cairnmillar who allowed themselves to be manipulated by Zeimer.
I will write another time about how Cairnmiller do their work - and the reputation they have gleaned in the legal / psychologically - trained!
It takes time to bond new family. We were always willing to help - as is so attested to by so many people - Affidavits, etc et al.

#33 
  1. They were yelling at each other 
  2. We had been good enough before.
  3. We were  no longer needed.
  4. So everything became a problem.
  5. Eva was accused be of aberrant grieveing ... a strange, ignorant term. A term used by ignorant medicos. 
  6. 'Being emotional in front of the children'....  in spite of the fact that we did not show emotion in front of the children! 
  7. Eva often had to field their questions that they would not ask him!!!

#34
I do not think he  was embarassed in front of his friends! Once saw them during holydays to remind them they had grandparents  we had been ignored totally by Aryeh - certainly due to other factors that we can only guess about. So, so sad that they were doing this to the children.

#35
See #38 t
CHC
#36
NCL!!!
  All comments come from  Shoshana. Simply too pathetic to comment on!

#37
Mrs Rosen and Janet Feldman.

#38
THAT CAIRNMILLER 'PROFESSIONAL - 'ADVICE' DEPENDANCY!

#38a
On her birthday  I walked in to her classroom gave Dina a present and walked out. Simple as that. We have a teacher witness that Zeimer will nopt allow us to interview!! Unbelievable!
TO BE DEBUNKED IF WE ARE GIVEN ACCESS TO THE TEACHERS! Vale Cairniller professional advice!!
#38a
TO BE DEBUNKED IF WE ARE GIVEN ACCESS TO THE TEACHERS!

#38b
AFFIDAVIT AND PHOTOGRAHIC EVIDENCE BEING PREPARED!
  1. As can be readily seen from the photographs, Eva did  not sit at the concert.
  2. She  stood at back with other grandparents.
  3. She was ignored totally by Shoshana who wassitting alone  after concert- in her very own seat!
PATHETIC!

#38c
Cairnmiller:
  We had hardly seen Aryeh at all  maybe he wanted to see us and they caused his trauma! MAYBE!!

#38d
  1. Risible!
  2. Is Howard Zeimer suggesting that he is annoyed that all of the Rabbis - including the children's school's Chief Rabbi / Judge who have provided us affidavits commending us and debunking all in his / their actions?
  3. Is he seriously implying that he eschews the Jewish Judicial authorities; The Melbourne Beth Din. Rabbis Kluwgant and Gutnick??
  4. He refused to attend a Jewish court - which would have made a quick decision - against him.
  5. He refused to attend formal mediation!
  6. Perhaps he also resents the involvement of the Family Court '' IN HIS PRIVATE FAMILY AFFAIRS'' Has he so complained? He would if he could.
Plainly this is so: not many people empathise with their wide - ranging distortions. [generously so discribed.]

#38e
Eva  was volunteering at the school did not  confront Dina in class or playground  She in fact come running up to her.
NCL!!

#38f
Cairnmiller and  ''Professional advice'' indeed.
See earlier above re Cairnmiller troika of women and their 'professinal advice. see #18 etc
Eva  did not  approach them between class time  saw them occasionally in the yard.  As she volunteered reading with other children, and was there after school to attend / pick up another grandson in same class.  

#38g
[See #11 above!!]
Bizzare, disengenious, outrageous strange offer!! See elsewhere: it was no 'offer'!

#38i
  Reuvi was proudly showing prayer book at the synagogue. He was using it.
Yet another distortion - though we could call it something else.
Do we subpoena the children to whom he was proudly showing the prayerbooks to? [Not a serious suggestion]
And thus risk that these children will be banned from being his friends? Others have been banned for a lot less!
Or is someone going to risk asking Reuvi - to see what he will say after all these months?

#38j
C E legal letter.

#38k
Rabbi Genende was flailing his hands helplessly when he told me that he would / could / will not do anything to talk to his congregant Zeimer.
I had pleaded with him for months to use the gravitas of his office to do something.
So I faxed him.
I guess he did not like me calling him a coward.
Rabbi Genende plainly refused to get involved - even when he was asked by OTHER Rabbis: I knew the gutless nature of the man: SO WELL MAY HE HAVE BEEN ''UPSET AND ANNOYED"!

#38L
C E legal letter.

#38m
Caulfield Hebrew Congregation: see below #38t

#38n
 SPORTSDAY!
See also #38R
On 3/9/09 I requested per a  long fax to the school's chief Rabbi Telsner investigate  that the Zeimers were themselves traumatising the children by refusing to allow them to attend sportsday! Within 7 days the Zeimers took out an intervention ofder that sequestered this enquiry.
Now that the matter is in the domain of the Family Court, I can  formally request Rabbi Telsner to formally respond to my fax of 3/11/09.
I do not think Zeimer will like the response: much the same as he will not like Rabbi Tesner's Affidavit.
The Sportsday imbriglio is a tragedy of Zeimer's making; with his own children the manifest victims.
Furthermore, I will ask the school Chief  Rabbi Telsner to investigate how Aryeh could be ''embarrassed by our attendance'' when ARYEH had not been there!
THIS IS A PLAIN LIE: HIS PARENTS STOPPED HIM FROM ATTENDING.
 2008 was his last attendance at sports day!!
Similasrly, Reuvi [Aryeh had left the school by Nov.] was still not allowed to attend.
we did not either: it was a difficult choice; I am sure it is all understood by the reader.
In Oct 2009 he was taken out of school when the school did not do his bidding by banning my daughter's husband - a respected talented Rabbi / teacher from teaching him the next year.
Such webs of intrigue Zeimer weaves - and they catch up with him - as per this disclosure - and others.

#38 0
It was a shame that the school had to obey Zeimers neurosis!
#38p - and
#38Q and
#38R
This is a long story. See comments outside this document concerning my loving contact with Aryeh - which Zeimer reconstructed into his own brand of flummery.
Simply the lies in #38Q are almost unbelievable!
Sadly for him - there are too many witnesses to the contrary: we will get access to these witnesses even though Zeimer tried to sequester our access to the School psychologist Peter Wilson and Aryeh's teacher Mrs Patricia Hunt.
#38r
''Afraid to see their grandparents'' See also #38 n
SO: Zeimer creates turmoil in the children's minds - makes them realize what he wants from them; and thus essentially is guilty of mental cruelty by MAKING them behave in a way that they seemingly vitiate us!
We are hoping the Court will encourage the children to show their true love for us again!
#38s
This is pathetic. can the reader appreciate how puerile it is to read that there was this grandfather who deigned to lovingly  look at his granddaughter through a window?
What sort of absurdium is this? It is either sick or sheer stupidity - because they so plainly demonstrate their neurosis!!
See also  my long fax to Rabbii Telsner of 3/11/09 - which refers to many things - including Dina's sweet - innocence in telling me:
''MY MOTHER SAYS YOU ARE BEING MEAN TO MY FATHER''
To which I said ''no - we just want to hug and kiss you - we love you very much''
Let it be understood that Rabbi Telsner and I had an agreement that we could go into the children's classes: ex June 2009.
My actions were strictly in that realm.
Days later, Zeimer took an IVO against us to stop that.
And this act was bad enough: but his mealy - mouthed post - modernist junk in trying to justify any / all of what he / they did - simply leaves me aghast!

#38t
SEE THE AFFIDAVIT OF SALLY LOWINGER DATED 5/10/10:
IT 'sort - of makes ALL REFERENCES BY ZEIMER TO CALFIELD HEBREW CONGRIGATION LOOK SICK.
Look closely at the lamentable letter written by the president of CHC: Zeimer is VICE PRESIDENT! THEY ARE FRIENDS.
In spite of this I asked him to solve matters.
As it became obvious to Garry Frydman that he could do nothing - he attacked me with his letter.IT IS A PATHETIC LETTER IN MANY WAYS.
HOWEVER, if one reads it correctly  and not deliberately  distort it  as Zeimer has done by ignoring parts he does not like - it is arguably harmless, self contradictory twaddle.
EG.
Why did Zeimer leave out the part :
"I AM SURE YOU DID NOT INTEND FOR THE CONGREGATION'S STAFF TO BE DISTRESSED BY YOUR ACTIONS''
This letter is effectively authored in part by Zeimer.
I could Subpoena the staff at CHC to confirm they were sympathetic to us - but what would be the point?
It would simply unearth yet another lie that this time came out of the pen of Zeimer's acolyte.
Simply pathetic.
The Caulfield H C File has been typed up and makes engrossing reading.
Parts of it - my so - called 'handywork as a wag calls it - has been faithfully collected by zeomer in his 216 Affidavit.
As this wag has it - it does me no harm.
Zeimer is simply trying to do a snow - job.
If I seriously repond to these 216 pages - his rejoinder will be 1000 plus pages.
So I refuse a point - by - point analysis.
This doc. is far - enough, surely.
#39
Cairnmiller again.
Perhaps being cut off from grandparents and talk at home bad mouthing us caused  trauma to them...see earlier.

#40
Cairnmiller on Reuvi: READ THE STAT DEC BY HEATHER BERNSTIN, REUVI'S TEACHER: IT IS NOT A GOOD LOOK FOR THE CAIRNMILLER TROIKA OR ZEIMER: THERE IS NOWHERE FOR THEM TO GO!
The readre may contemplate that we were able to elicit this good - faith, plainly honest appraisal by THE expert - who saw EVERYTHING - was aware of EVERYTHING - and simply said whatever she wanted.
Plainly Zeimer would have stopped her declaration if he could: like he stopped our access to teachers currently in the employ of the school!
I guess there is no reason why the court cannot make enquiries from the school about what these teachers know:
Denise Leibowitz
Barbara Belfer
Peter Wilson - school psychologist
.
Perhaps even
Miri Landau.
Nechama Bendet ;[School manager
Bradley Phillips and
Rabbi Smukler see their letter 7/11/10
#44 - 46... no time to debunk!

Overview
Please look at our othe Affidavits, etc  from
Rabbis Kluwgant, Sprung, Telsner,
Lilia Szarski, Mirry Rotem , Sue Lewis Melbourne Beth Din.
Lilia Szarski also provided the Certificate: look at Zeimer's letter of 3/9/09 ; wherein he refuses 'cort apponted psychologists'
GS Fin.
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